The Beginning of the Emissions Clampdown
Discussion
While this doesn't effect the UK yet it is an indication of where things are going....
Following an example set in Europe by cities in Germany, Paris has introduced coloured stickers to mark and categorise cars according to the amount of pollutants emitted in their exhaust gasses.
There are five categories for cars running on liquid fuels, numbered from 1 to 5 (1 being the cleanest, 5 the dirtiest), plus an additional „zero” category for EVs and hydrogen-powered vehicles, which are on the rise.
This system now applies to non French registered vehicles too, visitors from other countries are expected to comply or face heavy fines. Paris has effectively declared war on old diesel powered cars, but also all pre-1997 petrol cars, which are responsible for the most pollutants in the city's air, including nitrogen oxides and particulate matter – soot soaked with benzene and aldehyde.
LPG falls into category 1, so cars converted to run on LPG are not as strictly subject to year of production restrictions and they can be used on all days across the entire city, even when "smog alerts” (excessive pollution levels) have been announced.
The Mayor of London has already indicated he will be following the German and Parisian lead and we can be sure other large UK cities will follow, which will likely be followed by a blanket emissions policy across the whole country.
We already have taxation levels based on emissions and engine size and if you live in London similar rules are in force when applying for a permit to park outside your own house, for example a parking permit for a big diesel 4x4 will cost you many more times that of a small petrol car.
Where will this leave owners of mid nineties gas guzzling V8 sports cars in the future?
Perhaps more of us will go the low emissions LPG route
Following an example set in Europe by cities in Germany, Paris has introduced coloured stickers to mark and categorise cars according to the amount of pollutants emitted in their exhaust gasses.
There are five categories for cars running on liquid fuels, numbered from 1 to 5 (1 being the cleanest, 5 the dirtiest), plus an additional „zero” category for EVs and hydrogen-powered vehicles, which are on the rise.
This system now applies to non French registered vehicles too, visitors from other countries are expected to comply or face heavy fines. Paris has effectively declared war on old diesel powered cars, but also all pre-1997 petrol cars, which are responsible for the most pollutants in the city's air, including nitrogen oxides and particulate matter – soot soaked with benzene and aldehyde.
LPG falls into category 1, so cars converted to run on LPG are not as strictly subject to year of production restrictions and they can be used on all days across the entire city, even when "smog alerts” (excessive pollution levels) have been announced.
The Mayor of London has already indicated he will be following the German and Parisian lead and we can be sure other large UK cities will follow, which will likely be followed by a blanket emissions policy across the whole country.
We already have taxation levels based on emissions and engine size and if you live in London similar rules are in force when applying for a permit to park outside your own house, for example a parking permit for a big diesel 4x4 will cost you many more times that of a small petrol car.
Where will this leave owners of mid nineties gas guzzling V8 sports cars in the future?
Perhaps more of us will go the low emissions LPG route
To be fair not many TVR's were registered after March 2006 comparatively speaking. So most of us should remain unaffected by the new tax increases next year. But will it be long before they move it back steps to the March 2001+ and then the all cars B4 2001 and after 1976 (Pre 1974 are all tax exempt + all who then on become 40 yrs old) which is when most TVR's were registered where these currently fall into the more than a 1.6L category. It annoys me they tax keeping a classic on the road due to engine size when these batteries in the super low emissions cars cause a much larger footprint to produce and currently need replacing every 5 -7 years if my memory serves me correctly. They are just taxing enjoyment!
This is worrying. I've had my car for 16+ years and as such have only used oil, tyres and petrol and the services of a number of garages.
I'm sure the car selling industry would like me to scrap my car and buy a new one, but surely there's a whole load of natural resources needed to make one. What's wrong with keeping and maintaining the car I have ?
Just feels like they want to tax owners of older cars because they can and reward people who are willing to spend money on EVs.
I get the impression my road tax is soon going to shoot up and/or there will be a daily charge to even start the thing.
(Zone 2 dweller, 24 year old car, 3.5L petrol engine, no catalytic converter)
I'm sure the car selling industry would like me to scrap my car and buy a new one, but surely there's a whole load of natural resources needed to make one. What's wrong with keeping and maintaining the car I have ?
Just feels like they want to tax owners of older cars because they can and reward people who are willing to spend money on EVs.
I get the impression my road tax is soon going to shoot up and/or there will be a daily charge to even start the thing.
(Zone 2 dweller, 24 year old car, 3.5L petrol engine, no catalytic converter)
Also noticed similar actions in the Netherlands - no old diesels or petrol cars allowed in the city of Rotterdam. I only visit it once or twice a year from the UK and do my innocent 'tourist-who-didn't-know' face but not a great development. I sometimes do worry about my olders cars in central London and how the new major is going to attack air polution. Happy to pay for use of roads, but a total ban would be disastrous.
Fastdruid said:
TV8 said:
they are starting on the newer versions of older cars with increased road tax. TVRs, Porches etc registered after March 2006 become £495 from £230 from next year!
Have you got a source for this? I haven't seen anything on changing previous bands.TV8 said:
Fastdruid said:
TV8 said:
they are starting on the newer versions of older cars with increased road tax. TVRs, Porches etc registered after March 2006 become £495 from £230 from next year!
Have you got a source for this? I haven't seen anything on changing previous bands.Indeed. All TVR's are currently registered as PLG as TVR never supplied emissions figures.
That means, quoting from the government vehicle tax rate website:
'For cars registered before 1 March 2001 the rate of vehicle tax depends on its engine size.
The rate for cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 depends on CO2 emissions and fuel type. They’ll be taxed using the old system if this information isn’t available.'
All could change of course!
That means, quoting from the government vehicle tax rate website:
'For cars registered before 1 March 2001 the rate of vehicle tax depends on its engine size.
The rate for cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 depends on CO2 emissions and fuel type. They’ll be taxed using the old system if this information isn’t available.'
All could change of course!
Fastdruid said:
That doesn't state anything about them going changing...
I know this as I am looking at getting a Porsche and picked it up on one of the forums about which versions are going up to £500 or £515. There is a foot note with the asterix: *Includes cars with a CO2 figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006.
I havent a clue what the TVR figures are but I am assuming they are up there!
TV8 said:
Fastdruid said:
That doesn't state anything about them going changing...
I know this as I am looking at getting a Porsche and picked it up on one of the forums about which versions are going up to £500 or £515. There is a foot note with the asterix: *Includes cars with a CO2 figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006.
I havent a clue what the TVR figures are but I am assuming they are up there!
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