Lloyds and Canems

[Bobsy]

I've got the Chim back from Lloyds Specialist Developments on Friday after having a Canems Engine Management system fitted (battery moved to the boot and kill switch too) It drives like a new car, great power delivery, so smooth and at least feels like more power and torque.
Nathan, Daniel and the team are fantastic, knowledgeable and so enthusiastic, I would recomend them for any work or upgrades. I'll be back for a turbo as soon as I can justify it.
They documented the work on their facebook page, lots of picures and its ended up with a much tidier engine bay.

[phazed]

Sounds good, how about a pic of the neatened bay on here to tempt others?

[SILICONEKID343HP]

I was speaking to the owner of Garder Douglas ,he uses the Canems in all his LS engines for the whole range of his cars ..

If only I had the money !

http://www.gdcars.com/

[Bobsy]

Heres some pics, there are more on the Lloyds Specialist Developments facebook page. Rockers need cleaning and maybe some new silicon pipes but much better without an awful lot of wiring which was ditched (see pic below)




More foot room in the passenger side too without the battery and much easier to get to the fuses and relays. I was going to move them but I dont think I need to now.

[900T-R]

Those coil packs look to be a bit close to the exhaust Y-piece though?

[Robert Lees]

Dare I ask how much? and how long? to do all that.

Very tempted.

[griffdude]

900T-R said:

Those coil packs look to be a bit close to the exhaust Y-piece though?

+1

[Bobsy]

Link to Lloyds below. I had the fully programable kit. Nathan and Daniel will give you a quote over the phone for fitting, mapping etc. Considering what was involved it was very reasonable. They had the car for 2 weeks. I added the battery move and kill switch in at the last moment, it was about £460 but I needed a new battery anyway so it was the ideal time to do it and its makes thinks so much easier. Have you ever tried grovelling in the footwell, with the battery out of the way it much easier getting to the fuses and relays
www.lloydspecialistdevelopments.co.uk/engine-manag...

[Bobsy]

I think that picture is deceptive, I think there is enough gap but I may wrap or put a shield. Won't be a problem if I get the Turbo

[Bassfiend229hp]

Bobsy said:

I think that picture is deceptive, I think there is enough gap but I may wrap or put a shield. Won't be a problem if I get the Turbo

Mine are there too - not had any problems to date and it's about 18 months since mine was done...

[Mr Supercharged]

Looks good. I see that you have used the 2 wire PWM Idle air control valve.

I too have recently fitted a Canems system. I went for the Sequential ECU (still not on their website yet) but I run it firing in pairs. This ECU has allowed me to retain the stepper motor and the control works quite well. I have written a full write up on how I installed this, produced a full engine bay wiring diagram, and explained what to do with the 2 connectors which connect the ECU loom to the dash wiring loom with pin outs etc. It will all be in Sprint Magazine once the Magazine team work out how to put the 20 pages I sent them into the mag.

[Mr Supercharged]

Looks good. I see that you have used the 2 wire PWM Idle air control valve.

I too have recently fitted a Canems system. I went for the Sequential ECU (still not on their website yet) but I run it firing in pairs. This ECU has allowed me to retain the stepper motor and the control works quite well. I have written a full write up on how I installed this, produced a full engine bay wiring diagram, and explained what to do with the 2 connectors which connect the ECU loom to the dash wiring loom with pin outs etc. It will all be in Sprint Magazine once the Magazine team work out how to put the 20 pages I sent them into the mag.

[ChimpOnGas]

Here's mine, showing a different perceptive of the Lloyds coil pack position.



Ok so I have an ACT Y piece, but even with the standard Y piece there's plenty of clearance and I've never heard of any issues or stories of coil packs cooking.

As far as I'm concerned what LSD offer is one of the neatest & tidiest engine management swaps out there.

My Canems installation has been excellent, it transformed the old Rover V8 improving performance, drivability & economy on petrol, or flick a switch to run LPG at £3.27 a gallon.

The service & after care from Lloyd Specialist Developments has been absolutely fantastic.

There's been some shocking stories within the community of poor workmanship & customer management from so called "Specialists", mostly hushed up by the PH naming & shaming rules.

My experience with Lloyds was totally different.

I turned up with a dirty car sporting the Lucas 14CUX, TVR rats nest wiring & a distributor, then turned up two weeks later to collect my beautifully cleaned car with the new Canems system fitted neatly & nicely mapped.

I then immediately drove off to mainland Europe, completing 3000 issue free miles in two weeks at temperatures in the South of France we haven't seen here since 1976.

In this searing heat the coil packs were just fine, & still are

That's what I call a proper job & excellent service

[Mr Supercharged]

They are very good guys a Lloyds Specialist Developments. I just decided I wanted to do it myself. That way you actually get to understand and know how your car works. It's down to personal preference, but I think that the P38 (GEMS) coil packs look better, they fit underneath the bulkhead behind the engine and only require a single plug to operate all 8 cylinders. You do have to remove the plenum chamber to fit them, but the end result is a far neater solution. I'm sure that the guys at LSD would fit different coil packs if you specified them to start off with.

[loud430]

is there any way on a pre serp to get rid of the distributor after you convert to coil packs as i understood it drives the oil pump?

[SILICONEKID343HP]

loud430 said:

is there any way on a pre serp to get rid of the distributor after you convert to coil packs as i understood it drives the oil pump?

Ether leave the dizzy in or have the body machined down just for aesthetics.

[loud430]

think id have to have it machined down daz, i think it looks terrible just left there.

[ChimpOnGas]

Mr Supercharged said:

Looks good. I see that you have used the 2 wire PWM Idle air control valve.

I too have recently fitted a Canems system. I went for the Sequential ECU (still not on their website yet) but I run it firing in pairs. This ECU has allowed me to retain the stepper motor and the control works quite well. I have written a full write up on how I installed this, produced a full engine bay wiring diagram, and explained what to do with the 2 connectors which connect the ECU loom to the dash wiring loom with pin outs etc. It will all be in Sprint Magazine once the Magazine team work out how to put the 20 pages I sent them into the mag.

Personally I dont see the benefit in keeping the stepper motor, but I'm prepared to be enlightened by it's hiiden brilliance.

That Bosch 2 wire idle air control valve fitted by Lloyds has been used on a gazillion VW's , Porsches, Mercs, BMWs, Alfas, Skodas, ect ect.

The nice thing about it is it's proven to be extremely reliable, and even if it did fail I could lay my hands on a replacement within an hour in any European country, for peanuts.

You cant really say the same for the old Lucas stepper motor.

The Bosch 2 wire idle air control valve on my Canems installation is now configured to only come into play during the warm up phase, after that it idles perfectly on both fuels off the base idle setting.

It seems to work brilliantly like this, start the car from stone cold on a frosty morning and it fast idles at just 1200rpm, you can drive it straight away like this with no hiccups or fear of stalling.

Throughout the entire warm up phase the Canems ECU tells the idle air control valve to gradually degrade the idle speed by a total of just 250rpm, & in such tiny increments it's an absolutely seamless process.

Until the coolant reaches 75 degrees, at which point the idle air control valve silently steps out of the game to let base idle take over holding engine speed at a rock steady 950rpm base idle setting.

It's a very refined process & behaves just like any modern Eurobox would.

I'd be interested to know how having the old Lucas stepper motor back could improve on all that?

If the Lucas stepper motor truly is better than a Bosch 2 wire idle air control valve then I'll happily fit my old one.

After all I really miss cleaning the fekin thing every 6 - 12 months

[Mr Supercharged]

I think you'll find that stepper motors are still widely used on lots of engines. Like the LS range of engines for example. I did not say that it was better or worse, but it is OEM and therefore neater than any PWM valve you can fit to this engine. If the base idle and warm up settings are correct I think you will find that neither system has to do a lot to control the engine idle speed correctly. For that reason I stuck with the stepper motor which has never given me a problem.

[Sardonicus]

A rotary idle valve is def better than the stepper motor IMO more consistent for starters