Toying with the idea of adding turbo?

[Danattheopticians]

Hi all, just recently and thank to following "Brithunter's" post recently and some comments made by N7GTX, plus the fact I have gone over other ideas in the past, I want more oomph!

I've thought supercharger, ruled it out. Then looked at increased CC engines from V8D - 4.6 - Not enough gains, 5.0 + 5.4 Too expensive and if I got the 4.6 or 5.0 I know in a year I'd want more again - Qbee highlighted this fact to me in said post.
I have had a chat with Dom, he said, "Add a turbo mate and you won't want any more, it scares the s**t out of me"

So I don't want to be terrified to drive the car. I am a daily driver so wonder if the car will cope OK if I do turbo it? Will my standard size tyres keep traction OK? T1R's 225/50 ZR 16 on rear.

Will a turbo cause the engine to het any hotter quicker or require the cooling to be modified?

All turbos have lag (Will not be fitting anti lag) but is it unpleasant or does it boost smoothly?

I have just recently fitted Mark Adams Tornado to my 14CUX and don't want this to be a waste of time, does anyone know if I can get the turbo mapped to this ECU/Chip? Dom recommends MBE but is it essential?

[Brithunter]

Will watch this thread with interest!

[DangerousDerek]

Nothing wrong with Megasquirt (despite what some may say!).
There are plenty turbo cars running perfectly on MS2.

[davetripletvr]

There is a guy over on FB who has fitted it to his 4 ltr with good results, he started with 4 ½ lb of boost and has gradually pushed it up over a period of time and testing to stay safe. He is now pushing 7 ½ lb of boost and has had no problems and it has changed the car completely. He has used Joolz to map and get the fueling right on the Lucas 14cux and give any tips for upgrades which may be of use.
I have had a full Turbo and ECU install( MS2) with intercooler so can't really help with any advice on the 14 cux. As far as lag is concerned it is not like the 70s with a great big turbo waiting to kick in, things have moved on alot, so lag is very small when i press the load peddle it goes like st off a shovel

[Danattheopticians]

davetripletvr said:

There is a guy over on FB who has fitted it to his 4 ltr with good results, he started with 4 ½ lb of boost and has gradually pushed it up over a period of time and testing to stay safe. He is now pushing 7 ½ lb of boost and has had no problems and it has changed the car completely. He has used Joolz to map and get the fueling right on the Lucas 14cux and give any tips for upgrades which may be of use.
I have had a full Turbo and ECU install( MS2) with intercooler so can't really help with any advice on the 14 cux. As far as lag is concerned it is not like the 70s with a great big turbo waiting to kick in, things have moved on alot, so lag is very small when i press the load peddle it goes like st off a shovel

Ah Thanks. Who, what , where is Joolz? I googled it and got prams?
Glad top know the lag won't be an issue. That is looking promising if I can keep with Lucas 14CUX too.

[OleVix]

the boost starts coming in over 2000 rpm. To do it right you need the intercooler, New ECU to manage fuel and spark (ditch the dizzy)

Upgrade the rears to R1R Toyos. Youll need that for traction!

[davetripletvr]

Joolz is in Chesterfield his Company is called Kits and Classics, he has his own rolling road dyno and he is well known on here by many and is a sound guy who knows his stuff. If you are on FB look up Brett James Kelly and message him about his install, he will be happy to tell you what he has done with his install

[KateV8]

Ok so Kate's supercharged not turbo but the power output (she's 4.6) is similar so I'm qualified to say don't be put off by thinking your car will always be trying to kill you, it won't. As long as you ALWAYS drive to the road and conditions then you'll be fine. And still have fun

[davetripletvr]

KateV8 said:

Ok so Kate's supercharged not turbo but the power output (she's 4.6) is similar so I'm qualified to say don't be put off by thinking your car will always be trying to kill you, it won't. As long as you ALWAYS drive to the road and conditions then you'll be fine. And still have fun

Totally agree Mark, mine has better manners now when driving around town, it is not as lazy as before even on negative boost.

[ClassicChimaera]

what state of health your engines in should be the first thought to me. Timing chains and worn cam etc.
If your confident in your engines health as well as gearbox etc then go for it.
I'd ask why Dom recommends Mbe though!

Have you tried a car with a fast 5.0 or 4.6 installed.

I might be in the minority but I find 300 Bhp and about 350 torques is about right for the cars road going ability and I don't often feel the need for more power.
I'm always trying to tweak it though so something's not right

If Qbee didn't go to race circuits and need every drop of power would he say he needs more power on the road?

If he hadn't gone to race tracks and got used to such intense speed I bet he'd still think his 5.0 was very fast.
All in MHO

I have MBE on my n/a Night and day comes to mind but any of the respected after market ecu would do a good job,
I don't think I'd consider a Turbo without an Ecu change, others may disagree.

[Danattheopticians]

ClassicChimaera said:

what state of health your engines in should be the first thought to me. Timing chains and worn cam etc.
If your confident in your engines health as well as gearbox etc then go for it.
I'd ask why Dom recommends Mbe though!

Have you tried a car with a fast 5.0 or 4.6 installed.

I might be in the minority but I find 300 Bhp and about 350 torques is about right for the cars road going ability and I don't often feel the need for more power.
I'm always trying to tweak it though so something's not right

If Qbee didn't go to race circuits and need every drop of power would he say he needs more power on the road?

If he hadn't gone to race tracks and got used to such intense speed I bet he'd still think his 5.0 was very fast.
All in MHO

I have MBE on my n/a Night and day comes to mind but any of the respected after market ecu would do a good job,
I don't think I'd consider a Turbo without an Ecu change, others may disagree.

Engine - Perfect. Gearbox, bearings will need doing soon. Slight noise in 1st gear. Rest is pretty slick.

[NickOrangeCars]

Danattheopticians said:

Hi all, just recently and thank to following "Brithunter's" post recently and some comments made by N7GTX, plus the fact I have gone over other ideas in the past, I want more oomph!

I've thought supercharger, ruled it out. Then looked at increased CC engines from V8D - 4.6 - Not enough gains, 5.0 + 5.4 Too expensive and if I got the 4.6 or 5.0 I know in a year I'd want more again - Qbee highlighted this fact to me in said post.
I have had a chat with Dom, he said, "Add a turbo mate and you won't want any more, it scares the s**t out of me"

So I don't want to be terrified to drive the car. I am a daily driver so wonder if the car will cope OK if I do turbo it? Will my standard size tyres keep traction OK? T1R's 225/50 ZR 16 on rear.

Will a turbo cause the engine to het any hotter quicker or require the cooling to be modified?

All turbos have lag (Will not be fitting anti lag) but is it unpleasant or does it boost smoothly?

I have just recently fitted Mark Adams Tornado to my 14CUX and don't want this to be a waste of time, does anyone know if I can get the turbo mapped to this ECU/Chip? Dom recommends MBE but is it essential?

Why did you rule out Superchargers? granted more expensive install - but power distribution is same as N/A so 1) no lag 2) doesn't bite you with a big power spike.

Turbo's 100% create more heat - on the road this seems to have been sorted, but I have never seen one on the track yet. (in comparison my SC has done 40+ track days without any issues)

Others have kept with 14CUX but you will never be getting 100% from the engine, plenty of people on here using Megasquirt + Emerald.

[ou sont les biscuits]

ClassicChimaera said:

I have MBE on my n/a Night and day comes to mind but any of the respected after market ecu would do a good job,
I don't think I'd consider a Turbo without an Ecu change, others may disagree.

I agree with you. If it were me, I'd be wanting whoever it is who maps the car to have total control over the advance curve, especially if you are going to be trying a range of boost options. Relying on a clockwork mechanism in the dizzy and a bit of pipe connected to the inlet manifold to control the timing of the spark is a bit pre-historic. I suspect a modified engine will run better and last longer with an ecu that controls fuelling and spark.

[macdeb]

NickOrangeCars said:

Danattheopticians said:

Hi all, just recently and thank to following "Brithunter's" post recently and some comments made by N7GTX, plus the fact I have gone over other ideas in the past, I want more oomph!

I've thought supercharger, ruled it out. Then looked at increased CC engines from V8D - 4.6 - Not enough gains, 5.0 + 5.4 Too expensive and if I got the 4.6 or 5.0 I know in a year I'd want more again - Qbee highlighted this fact to me in said post.
I have had a chat with Dom, he said, "Add a turbo mate and you won't want any more, it scares the s**t out of me"

So I don't want to be terrified to drive the car. I am a daily driver so wonder if the car will cope OK if I do turbo it? Will my standard size tyres keep traction OK? T1R's 225/50 ZR 16 on rear.

Will a turbo cause the engine to het any hotter quicker or require the cooling to be modified?

All turbos have lag (Will not be fitting anti lag) but is it unpleasant or does it boost smoothly?

I have just recently fitted Mark Adams Tornado to my 14CUX and don't want this to be a waste of time, does anyone know if I can get the turbo mapped to this ECU/Chip? Dom recommends MBE but is it essential?

Why did you rule out Superchargers? granted more expensive install - but power distribution is same as N/A so 1) no lag 2) doesn't bite you with a big power spike.

Turbo's 100% create more heat - on the road this seems to have been sorted, but I have never seen one on the track yet. (in comparison my SC has done 40+ track days without any issues)

Others have kept with 14CUX but you will never be getting 100% from the engine, plenty of people on here using Megasquirt + Emerald.

here we go,,,,, He said he ruled out SC'ing didn't he?

[davetripletvr]

macdeb said:

NickOrangeCars said:

Danattheopticians said:

Hi all, just recently and thank to following "Brithunter's" post recently and some comments made by N7GTX, plus the fact I have gone over other ideas in the past, I want more oomph!

I've thought supercharger, ruled it out. Then looked at increased CC engines from V8D - 4.6 - Not enough gains, 5.0 + 5.4 Too expensive and if I got the 4.6 or 5.0 I know in a year I'd want more again - Qbee highlighted this fact to me in said post.
I have had a chat with Dom, he said, "Add a turbo mate and you won't want any more, it scares the s**t out of me"

So I don't want to be terrified to drive the car. I am a daily driver so wonder if the car will cope OK if I do turbo it? Will my standard size tyres keep traction OK? T1R's 225/50 ZR 16 on rear.

Will a turbo cause the engine to het any hotter quicker or require the cooling to be modified?

All turbos have lag (Will not be fitting anti lag) but is it unpleasant or does it boost smoothly?

I have just recently fitted Mark Adams Tornado to my 14CUX and don't want this to be a waste of time, does anyone know if I can get the turbo mapped to this ECU/Chip? Dom recommends MBE but is it essential?

Why did you rule out Superchargers? granted more expensive install - but power distribution is same as N/A so 1) no lag 2) doesn't bite you with a big power spike.

Turbo's 100% create more heat - on the road this seems to have been sorted, but I have never seen one on the track yet. (in comparison my SC has done 40+ track days without any issues)

Others have kept with 14CUX but you will never be getting 100% from the engine, plenty of people on here using Megasquirt + Emerald.

here we go,,,,, He said he ruled out SC'ing didn't he?

There is always one person who doesn't read the post and try to get their point across about SC, anyone would think they were anti TURBO or something

[Pupp]

NickOrangeCars said:

Turbo's 100% create more heat -

Eh? Which rule of physics are you re-writing to come to that conclusion? A turbo 'makes' no heat; it actually sinks quite a bit. A turbo engine making more power might run hotter as a result of its greater output but the same goes for SC or NA for that matter.

[Pupp]

davetripletvr said:

There is always one person who doesn't read the post and try to get their point across about SC, anyone would think they were anti TURBO or something

And what the rotary SC guys seem to forget is their compressors are only effectively belt driven half-turbos anyway... with added parasitic losses

[Danattheopticians]

davetripletvr said:

macdeb said:

NickOrangeCars said:

Danattheopticians said:

Hi all, just recently and thank to following "Brithunter's" post recently and some comments made by N7GTX, plus the fact I have gone over other ideas in the past, I want more oomph!

I've thought supercharger, ruled it out. Then looked at increased CC engines from V8D - 4.6 - Not enough gains, 5.0 + 5.4 Too expensive and if I got the 4.6 or 5.0 I know in a year I'd want more again - Qbee highlighted this fact to me in said post.
I have had a chat with Dom, he said, "Add a turbo mate and you won't want any more, it scares the s**t out of me"

So I don't want to be terrified to drive the car. I am a daily driver so wonder if the car will cope OK if I do turbo it? Will my standard size tyres keep traction OK? T1R's 225/50 ZR 16 on rear.

Will a turbo cause the engine to het any hotter quicker or require the cooling to be modified?

All turbos have lag (Will not be fitting anti lag) but is it unpleasant or does it boost smoothly?

I have just recently fitted Mark Adams Tornado to my 14CUX and don't want this to be a waste of time, does anyone know if I can get the turbo mapped to this ECU/Chip? Dom recommends MBE but is it essential?

Why did you rule out Superchargers? granted more expensive install - but power distribution is same as N/A so 1) no lag 2) doesn't bite you with a big power spike.

Turbo's 100% create more heat - on the road this seems to have been sorted, but I have never seen one on the track yet. (in comparison my SC has done 40+ track days without any issues)

Others have kept with 14CUX but you will never be getting 100% from the engine, plenty of people on here using Megasquirt + Emerald.

here we go,,,,, He said he ruled out SC'ing didn't he?

There is always one person who doesn't read the post and try to get their point across about SC, anyone would think they were anti TURBO or something

I may have used ruled out too finally but from a 1. Cost 2. Tidiness pionts of view. Also I've spoken to Ole in person and he explained to me he reasoning and I've looked at all 3 options. I can't get the turbo idea out of my head and when that happens I tend to trust my thoughts. A lot to be said for gut feeling I guess.

[davetripletvr]

Pupp said:

davetripletvr said:

There is always one person who doesn't read the post and try to get their point across about SC, anyone would think they were anti TURBO or something

And what the rotary SC guys seem to forget is their compressors are only effectively belt driven half-turbos anyway... with added parasitic losses

[davetripletvr]

Danattheopticians said:

I may have used ruled out too finally but from a 1. Cost 2. Tidiness pionts of view. Also I've spoken to Ole in person and he explained to me he reasoning and I've looked at all 3 options. I can't get the turbo idea out of my head and when that happens I tend to trust my thoughts. A lot to be said for gut feeling I guess.

You don't have to explain to anyone why you are making the decision you are making on how you are going to upgrade and modify your car. Your car your money your choice