What would cause this
What would cause this
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WokingWedger

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1,030 posts

228 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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In search of my slight single tick I discovered a rocker shaft pad with a very small and offset wear pattern.

The one on the right. After approx 10000 milea


I took off the rocker and there is some wear in the bore. It was oily before I cleaned it up.


The shaft seems fine (very slight scratch but cant feel a ridge at all


Top of valve


Just ordered a new genuine LR rocker to fit to existing shaft

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Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

244 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Possibly oil starvation? Not allowing the rods to rotate?

WokingWedger

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228 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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What could cause oil starvation ?

Starvation To where ?

Plenty of oil sitting around the top of the head.

Healthy oil pressure !

peaktorque

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234 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Why does the pedastol base look like that?
Has it been 'walking'?

Chimp871

837 posts

140 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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You probably know already but there are aluminium and steel rockers. Shouldn't mix them.

Is rocker positioned correctly on shaft?

WokingWedger

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Friday 17th March 2017
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peaktorque said:
Why does the pedastol base look like that?
Has it been 'walking'?
Don't know wasn't looking at that!

Will look at the others

WokingWedger

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Friday 17th March 2017
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Chimp871 said:
You probably know already but there are aluminium and steel rockers. Shouldn't mix them.

Is rocker positioned correctly on shaft?

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???

They are all Aluminium !

Can't do much about position ! End of shaft !





Discopotatoes

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244 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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could it be that the preloads were incorrect? too much load on that pedestal causing a pressure point ?

peaktorque

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234 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Just a guess, but that pedastol looks like is been moving under load. If, for example that particular pedastol wasn't correctly torqued, it would allow it to 'walk' under load and cause those markings, it may also cause the outer-most rocker to act against the valve off square - causing the irregular wear pattern on the pad. The base of the adjacent pedastol is normal, so the issue can only be isolated to that particular shaft bolt.

WokingWedger

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Friday 17th March 2017
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All the pedestal bases look the same ( unlike the old spares I have). Looks to me as if they have been rough milled ( very rough) by the engine builder !

Could it be a poor seal between pedestal and head allowing oil to leak out before getting to the shaft and rocker ?

That may explain the rocker bore wear but what caused the poor contact patch at the valve stem, or could that be due to the wear in the rocker


Chimp871

837 posts

140 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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WokingWedger said:

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???

They are all Aluminium !

Can't do much about position ! End of shaft !
I went to powers to get a new one and they said "steel or ally version"! Bloke said ally ones are rarer

http://www.powersperformance.co.uk/store/slug/stee...

Make of it what you will. He advised if you switch to steel change them all.

Perhaps check hydraulic lifter

fausTVR

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173 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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My take is the pedestal base is so poor (because of walking?) that the rocker has had its oil supply rationed and given rise to the rocker bore wear at its bore load point as you see from pic 2. This added free play allows the rocker tip sideways giving that uneven contact with the valve.

WokingWedger

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Saturday 18th March 2017
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fausTVR said:
My take is the pedestal base is so poor (because of walking?) that the rocker has had its oil supply rationed and given rise to the rocker bore wear at its bore load point as you see from pic 2. This added free play allows the rocker tip sideways giving that uneven contact with the valve.
I agree if the rocker wasn't getting its proper oil supply then that would cause wear and in turn perhaps explain the odd contact patch with the valve.

Anybody seen this odd contact patch due to worn rockers before ?

I can't see how the pedestal can 'walk' anywhere, it's held by a great big bolt done up to 30lbft

The base of the pedestal is flat but it looks like it has been machined or scraped (as with done by scraper-old hand tool)

It is difficult to see if the top of the valve stem is flat.

Should I dress the valve top in anyway? I don't want to have to remove it and I don't want to go through the case hardening, so perhaps leave it and fit new rocker and check wear pattern after a few miles.