Viewing tomorrow: 2006 X-type 3.0 manual
Discussion
..and thinking about what to look and listen out for?
Aside from the usual things for any car, is there anything I can add to the following list;
1) Transfer case whine. (Although the car in question doesn't have the viscous coupling etc)
2) Corrosion on sills / front suspension / subframe.
3) Signs of water ingress in boot and/or rear lights.
Car in question is a 3.0 SE manual, 43k and FSH in BRG
Thanks in advance
Aside from the usual things for any car, is there anything I can add to the following list;
1) Transfer case whine. (Although the car in question doesn't have the viscous coupling etc)
2) Corrosion on sills / front suspension / subframe.
3) Signs of water ingress in boot and/or rear lights.
Car in question is a 3.0 SE manual, 43k and FSH in BRG
Thanks in advance
Transfer / prop can still whine/rumble on that age but hopefully won't be an issue. Get right under all the way and check for any leak from the transfer box.
Tyres are very sensitive to tracking set up so check for uneven wear.
It should rev cleanly through the range doing something like leaving a roundabout and going up through the revs and gears. Try it with the climate control off and on. Have just changed the MAF sensor on mine and it's sorted out the stutter/hesitancy and rich running.
Plug change due at 70k or 7 years (big service) so factor that in if it's not had the big one yet - inlet manifold has to come off and that's about 1.5hrs off and the same on iirc from having my oxygen sensors done.
Gear change will be precise when taken slowly and deliberately, it'll baulk if you try to rush it.
Generally everything should work - be wary of mirror covers on sun visors being held on with sticky tape
And if the driver door doesn't rattle at all when you shut it - CELEBRATE!
Tyres are very sensitive to tracking set up so check for uneven wear.
It should rev cleanly through the range doing something like leaving a roundabout and going up through the revs and gears. Try it with the climate control off and on. Have just changed the MAF sensor on mine and it's sorted out the stutter/hesitancy and rich running.
Plug change due at 70k or 7 years (big service) so factor that in if it's not had the big one yet - inlet manifold has to come off and that's about 1.5hrs off and the same on iirc from having my oxygen sensors done.
Gear change will be precise when taken slowly and deliberately, it'll baulk if you try to rush it.
Generally everything should work - be wary of mirror covers on sun visors being held on with sticky tape
And if the driver door doesn't rattle at all when you shut it - CELEBRATE!
Edited by Six Fiend on Thursday 21st March 18:05
Thanks for the advice Pete 
Year 7 service is due, so that's definitely a bargaining point. I doub't a small independant garage will want to take the inlet manifold off to get to the rear plugs!
I'll still be checking the transfer box out, and giving a thorough check over. One other thing, it had a clutch replaced under warranty at 2 years old, is that anything unduly to worry about?
Year 7 service is due, so that's definitely a bargaining point. I doub't a small independant garage will want to take the inlet manifold off to get to the rear plugs!
I'll still be checking the transfer box out, and giving a thorough check over. One other thing, it had a clutch replaced under warranty at 2 years old, is that anything unduly to worry about?
Most welcome
I must admit I'm not that well versed on the clutches. From what I've read they don't usually go quickly, it could have been a duff one.
They can feel a bit grabby and clunky so it might not have had a real issue just a driver who couldn't get used to it? I think mine may be a little worn after 12 yrs (73k on it and it's the original) but I only notice it if I cane it from a standing start (which I don't generally do) - the pedal doesn't always want to come up fully...it's been like it for over 10k miles now, mostly town work and it's fine day to day.
I must admit I'm not that well versed on the clutches. From what I've read they don't usually go quickly, it could have been a duff one.
They can feel a bit grabby and clunky so it might not have had a real issue just a driver who couldn't get used to it? I think mine may be a little worn after 12 yrs (73k on it and it's the original) but I only notice it if I cane it from a standing start (which I don't generally do) - the pedal doesn't always want to come up fully...it's been like it for over 10k miles now, mostly town work and it's fine day to day.
Six Fiend said:
Most welcome
I must admit I'm not that well versed on the clutches. From what I've read they don't usually go quickly, it could have been a duff one.
They can feel a bit grabby and clunky so it might not have had a real issue just a driver who couldn't get used to it? I think mine may be a little worn after 12 yrs (73k on it and it's the original) but I only notice it if I cane it from a standing start (which I don't generally do) - the pedal doesn't always want to come up fully...it's been like it for over 10k miles now, mostly town work and it's fine day to day.
Dirty clutch fluid?I must admit I'm not that well versed on the clutches. From what I've read they don't usually go quickly, it could have been a duff one.
They can feel a bit grabby and clunky so it might not have had a real issue just a driver who couldn't get used to it? I think mine may be a little worn after 12 yrs (73k on it and it's the original) but I only notice it if I cane it from a standing start (which I don't generally do) - the pedal doesn't always want to come up fully...it's been like it for over 10k miles now, mostly town work and it's fine day to day.
Forgot to say, car was registered 03/03/06, sneaks into Band K by twenty days!
[quote=Six Fiend]Transfer / prop can still whine/rumble on that age but hopefully won't be an issue. Get right under all the way and check for any leak from the transfer box.
Tyres are very sensitive to tracking set up so check for uneven wear.
It should rev cleanly through the range doing something like leaving a roundabout and going up through the revs and gears. Try it with the climate control off and on. Have just changed the MAF sensor on mine and it's sorted out the stutter/hesitancy and rich running.
My X-Type (3 litre auto) has developed a judder when i accelerate. No whining from the transfer box as far as i can tell so would this possibly be caused by the MAF sensor (whatever that is!!!!)
Is it an expensive fix?
Tyres are very sensitive to tracking set up so check for uneven wear.
It should rev cleanly through the range doing something like leaving a roundabout and going up through the revs and gears. Try it with the climate control off and on. Have just changed the MAF sensor on mine and it's sorted out the stutter/hesitancy and rich running.
My X-Type (3 litre auto) has developed a judder when i accelerate. No whining from the transfer box as far as i can tell so would this possibly be caused by the MAF sensor (whatever that is!!!!)
Is it an expensive fix?
The MAF sensor may just be dirty and need cleaning. I cleaned mine early last year but it's just given up the ghost (had a very stuttery trip in Wales last Friday) - it was like driving Norman Collier coming off rondabouts
Start on this thread and have a good read. All my hoses etc are fine so it was a process of elimination.
http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x-type-14/sympto...
Hopefully this will help. Popping a code reader on may be a good idea too
Start on this thread and have a good read. All my hoses etc are fine so it was a process of elimination.
http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x-type-14/sympto...
Hopefully this will help. Popping a code reader on may be a good idea too
V88Dicky said:
One other thing, it had a clutch replaced under warranty at 2 years old, is that anything unduly to worry about?
My car is a June 06 owned from new 2.5 sport manual 70k. My clutch was replaced under warranty after a year. The problem was at idle out of gear at traffic lights it sounded like a diesel! This was due to the plates chattering, Jaguar received and installed a batch of poor clutches for a period in 2006. They were replaced under warranty only if the customer complained, no recall was made, given the closeness of the cars in question I'm guessing it was the same problem.Now as others have already mentioned I have had the following:-1. prop whine , replaced and balanced under warranty to this day on a cold day between 50-70 you can still sometimes hear it, solution turn up radio
2. tyre wear front inners, need to check on full lock these can go quick, if on pirellis, move to bridgestone seem to suit the car better and last a lot longer
3. electric actuators, locks can play up or in my case open up your car, this is a cheap component, plenty of jag scrappers have this part for a fraction of the price of a stealer
4. Bushes, clunking from the back at slow speed, the X type in AWD is a heavy car and Jag never really got around to putting heavy duty bushes on the car
5. Transfer box, now I have owned two X 2.5 AWD from new an 03 with the viscous couple, no problem and the current 06 non viscous transfer box replaced at 47k. There was no directly related warning. I felt a vibration from the front left thinking it was a tyre/rim problem, turned out it was caused by vibration coming down the prop from a dissolving transfer box! The cost £1400 to buy a replacement and fix and that was a jag specialist, go to jag dealer double it!, it's a 10 hour job everything comes out. The box is sealed for life(what is life?).
I love the car and in winter weather it's great, leaving the german opposition in their drives. I don't think the non viscous is as good in the snow and a real problem is that in snow, the car will move off no problem,stopping not so good, abs dances with no stopping and although the bridgestones are better than the Pirelli's, the rear end has a tendency to push you on at corners, front wheels turn but the rear takes over pushing you straight forward, I didn't experience that in the old car.
Well, I've put a small deposit down for the 3.0
Awful day to check over a car, but I carried out all the checks mentioned on here, had a decent test drive and tested all the gizmos for good measure. Tyres were evenly worn and a decent brand(s) (different front and rears though). There wasn't much meat left on the front pads, and there was a slight belt squeal on start up, probably caused by quite a few electric items being on like the a/c, heated windsceen and so on. Didn't reoccur when I shut down and restarted after the test drive.
So there you go, for better or worse, my next daily will be this;
Awful day to check over a car, but I carried out all the checks mentioned on here, had a decent test drive and tested all the gizmos for good measure. Tyres were evenly worn and a decent brand(s) (different front and rears though). There wasn't much meat left on the front pads, and there was a slight belt squeal on start up, probably caused by quite a few electric items being on like the a/c, heated windsceen and so on. Didn't reoccur when I shut down and restarted after the test drive.
So there you go, for better or worse, my next daily will be this;
I'm happy to report that the X-type is sat safe on my drive at the moment, albeit covered in road salt and grime!
My journey back home was thoroughly enjoyable, beginning at Morrisons filling station in Chorley, putting £50 in got the gauge up to 3/4s. The Bluetooth phone system was easy to pair with my phone, and the excellent navigation system I was familiar with from my wife's car.
Northbound on the M6 was uneventful and gave me plenty of time to double check all the toys worked. I set the cruise to 70, settled into the comfy heated leather seats, and listened to Ken Bruce on R2. It was this stage of the journey that the car reached it's highest average mpg, 34.7.
Turning off the M6 northbound at J38, gave me the opportunity to explore both the car's cornering potential and overtaking ability, heading off to Kirkby Stephen then eastward to the A66. Considering the car doesn't have the sport suspension, (turns out it's a Sovereign! thought it was well equipped ) it corners very well indeed, retaining it's composure and remaining pleasantly flat. The steering is well weighted and accurate, although a little dead around straight ahead. The gear change is very good once you're tuned into it, being accurate and positive providing you get the clutch right.
A little further on, and a few miles from joining the A66 eastbound, saw the Jag and I catch up with a tourist bus which in turn was held up by a tractor and trailer full of manure. Seeing an overtaking opportunity ahead, I dropped down to 3rd and completed the manouevre quickly and safely. Whilst there's plenty of power for overtakes, it feels strange doing it so quietely. Maybe that's something I can address at a later date.
So, about 40 or so more miles on the A66, then 30 more A1(M) north and I was home safe. I felt good, no back-ache or stiff limbs anywhere, it didn't feel like I'd just completed a two and a half hour drive.
As for the car, it did the journey without batting an eyelid really. It never missed a beat, and averaged 31.2 mpg start to finish.
I'll take it
My journey back home was thoroughly enjoyable, beginning at Morrisons filling station in Chorley, putting £50 in got the gauge up to 3/4s. The Bluetooth phone system was easy to pair with my phone, and the excellent navigation system I was familiar with from my wife's car.
Northbound on the M6 was uneventful and gave me plenty of time to double check all the toys worked. I set the cruise to 70, settled into the comfy heated leather seats, and listened to Ken Bruce on R2. It was this stage of the journey that the car reached it's highest average mpg, 34.7.
Turning off the M6 northbound at J38, gave me the opportunity to explore both the car's cornering potential and overtaking ability, heading off to Kirkby Stephen then eastward to the A66. Considering the car doesn't have the sport suspension, (turns out it's a Sovereign! thought it was well equipped ) it corners very well indeed, retaining it's composure and remaining pleasantly flat. The steering is well weighted and accurate, although a little dead around straight ahead. The gear change is very good once you're tuned into it, being accurate and positive providing you get the clutch right.
A little further on, and a few miles from joining the A66 eastbound, saw the Jag and I catch up with a tourist bus which in turn was held up by a tractor and trailer full of manure. Seeing an overtaking opportunity ahead, I dropped down to 3rd and completed the manouevre quickly and safely. Whilst there's plenty of power for overtakes, it feels strange doing it so quietely. Maybe that's something I can address at a later date.
So, about 40 or so more miles on the A66, then 30 more A1(M) north and I was home safe. I felt good, no back-ache or stiff limbs anywhere, it didn't feel like I'd just completed a two and a half hour drive.
As for the car, it did the journey without batting an eyelid really. It never missed a beat, and averaged 31.2 mpg start to finish.
I'll take it
V88Dicky said:
, and averaged 31.2 mpg start to finish.
That's spot on I record all my mileage and fuel, the tank is 62 litres (13.5 gallons), I average 31, range from full to fumes is max 430, but around town I've seen as low as 300. The 2.5-3.0 likes to cruise, in and around town shifting that awd through the gears it gets a bit Oliver Reed. When the fuel warning light comes on you've got about 5 litres left, on a motorway about 40 miles range around town think 25 miles range.V88Dicky said:
Whilst there's plenty of power for overtakes, it feels strange doing it so quietely.
You should try doing it in an S Type R! 
You know you are doing warp speed yet the only noise you can really hear is the supercharger. Best of luck with the car. An AWD manual 3.0 Jag sounds like a recipe for a fantastic car!
All good to hear
For a little more growl just have the back boxes changed. Mine sounds just grrrr enough trundling around and howls nicely at high revs. It needed a resonator box to cut out cabin boom and now, inside, runs almost as quietly as standard when cruising. All done by a friendly local wizard.
For a little more growl just have the back boxes changed. Mine sounds just grrrr enough trundling around and howls nicely at high revs. It needed a resonator box to cut out cabin boom and now, inside, runs almost as quietly as standard when cruising. All done by a friendly local wizard.
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