Tell me about X types please
Discussion
I am considering ending the life of my old Volvo 940 Estate, with 200k miles on it and have considered a number of alternatives including E46 M3(complexity and repair costs worry me) and Volvo V70 (I'm an old git and dislike front wheel drive and they have a very poor turning circle apparently).
I keep seeing an X type estate/touring/shooting brake pass me when out with the dog. I really like the look of them from the ouitside, really nice proportions.
Whats good and bad about these cars?
Are they all computerised so that if I need to empty the door pocket or change a bulb, I need to get it reprogrammed at a dealer?
My work commute is about 7 miles and I think that is probably bad for any diesel so I guess it's a petrol I'm looking for.
Budget anything up to around £7k. Less is better as I won't worry so much about the supermarket car park or childs rubbish but not if it just buys trouble.
Have the occasional 750mile round trip too.
Thanks
I keep seeing an X type estate/touring/shooting brake pass me when out with the dog. I really like the look of them from the ouitside, really nice proportions.
Whats good and bad about these cars?
Are they all computerised so that if I need to empty the door pocket or change a bulb, I need to get it reprogrammed at a dealer?
My work commute is about 7 miles and I think that is probably bad for any diesel so I guess it's a petrol I'm looking for.
Budget anything up to around £7k. Less is better as I won't worry so much about the supermarket car park or childs rubbish but not if it just buys trouble.
Have the occasional 750mile round trip too.
Thanks
My brother had a 2.0D X Type estate. It's not a bad car. Handles well enough and it's practical. The 2 litre diesel engine is not a great thing and the interior, whilst not being bad, isn't inspiring for a marque like Jaguar. They are often labelled a poor man's Jag or a Mondeo in drag which is a little unfair. They're not very exciting to drive but they hold their own at what they do.
amancalledrob said:
Further to the above, I believe they're also front wheel drive. I'm fairly sure the AWD variant has a Haldex diff such as you'd find in the Golf R32, which means it's basically FWD with some help from the rear when necessary.
Corrections welcomed
Yes the diesels and the 2.1 v6 petrol are FWD. The 2.5 and 3.0 are AWD in saloons and estates. As I understand it it is a haldex system but the split is 60:40 in favour of the rear, which makes it a bit more interesting to drive. Mine is a early one so has a viscous coupling, which was remove on the later models, which makes them better when grip becomes limited.Corrections welcomed
I bought a 55 plate 2.2 with 56k on the clock last summer to use as a hack. It hasn't exactly been cheap or hassle free.
I've done 13k in it and has cost:
2 tyres £220
Sort EGR £0 but a bit of my time
Sorting squeaking rear discs £40
Both thermostats £120 + lots of my time
Clutch & flywheel £1070 ( common prob on diesels )
Front wheel bearings £270
Refurb wheels as they were a bit buckled £400
So £2k, but I did get it £1500 under it's supposed value.
But I guess it has saved me putting 13k on the XF, and it's better looking and better tomdrive than a similar era Mondeo.
I've done 13k in it and has cost:
2 tyres £220
Sort EGR £0 but a bit of my time
Sorting squeaking rear discs £40
Both thermostats £120 + lots of my time
Clutch & flywheel £1070 ( common prob on diesels )
Front wheel bearings £270
Refurb wheels as they were a bit buckled £400
So £2k, but I did get it £1500 under it's supposed value.
But I guess it has saved me putting 13k on the XF, and it's better looking and better tomdrive than a similar era Mondeo.
Hi, I have had 3 Mondeos and 2 X-Types so feel I am able to make a balanced view. Presently own one of each so can make direct comparisons. All cars were/are diesel models - they have been the everyday car but I still I can honestly say there is no real comparison in the build quality/feel of the two marques - yes they share some common parts but they are very different cars.
My first X-type was a 2.0d SE Estate purchased new at very beginning of 2008 as a company car. Ran it for 30 months and covered 88,000 miles - the only issue with it was the ECU software needed to be updated at around 66k due to a (I believe) known glitch. Other than that it only needed routine maintenance. The second X-type was purchased by myself after a job change in Aug 2010, a 2.2d Sovereign Estate with 23,000 on the clock and one owner (First registered in Oct 2007) still under warranty. After 2,000 miles it developed clutch slip - this was sorted by main dealer free of charge (Clutch and Dual mass flywheel replaced) 8 days before the expiry of 3 year warranty. Only other issue since has been an EGR valve replacement at about 75,000 miles and it is now reading just about 101,000 miles. Still running faultlessly and will be keeping it for a few years yet as there is nothing I like that will replace it at a reasonable cost (Would like a Sportbrake but SWMBO says not yet!)
Having had both 2.0 and 2.2 versions I would always go for the 2.2 - better power and economy as well as more relaxed cruising with the 6 speed box. I have run it on winter tyres for the last two winter seasons and this transforms the car in winter wet and snow conditions.
I spent a couple of months searching for the "right car" and I am sure that was worth it - overall a great car that is still enjoyable and comfortable to drive.
My first X-type was a 2.0d SE Estate purchased new at very beginning of 2008 as a company car. Ran it for 30 months and covered 88,000 miles - the only issue with it was the ECU software needed to be updated at around 66k due to a (I believe) known glitch. Other than that it only needed routine maintenance. The second X-type was purchased by myself after a job change in Aug 2010, a 2.2d Sovereign Estate with 23,000 on the clock and one owner (First registered in Oct 2007) still under warranty. After 2,000 miles it developed clutch slip - this was sorted by main dealer free of charge (Clutch and Dual mass flywheel replaced) 8 days before the expiry of 3 year warranty. Only other issue since has been an EGR valve replacement at about 75,000 miles and it is now reading just about 101,000 miles. Still running faultlessly and will be keeping it for a few years yet as there is nothing I like that will replace it at a reasonable cost (Would like a Sportbrake but SWMBO says not yet!)
Having had both 2.0 and 2.2 versions I would always go for the 2.2 - better power and economy as well as more relaxed cruising with the 6 speed box. I have run it on winter tyres for the last two winter seasons and this transforms the car in winter wet and snow conditions.
I spent a couple of months searching for the "right car" and I am sure that was worth it - overall a great car that is still enjoyable and comfortable to drive.
Thanks, intereting comparison
Got chatting briefly to a diesel owne ryesterday and he was full of praise.
Some of the comments above leave me a bit unsure.
If I go for one it is more likely a petrol, my commute is around 7 mies and I think that'll cause problems with any particulate filter?
Got chatting briefly to a diesel owne ryesterday and he was full of praise.
Some of the comments above leave me a bit unsure.
If I go for one it is more likely a petrol, my commute is around 7 mies and I think that'll cause problems with any particulate filter?
Skyedriver said:
Thanks, intereting comparison
Got chatting briefly to a diesel owne ryesterday and he was full of praise.
Some of the comments above leave me a bit unsure.
If I go for one it is more likely a petrol, my commute is around 7 mies and I think that'll cause problems with any particulate filter?
Hello mate.Got chatting briefly to a diesel owne ryesterday and he was full of praise.
Some of the comments above leave me a bit unsure.
If I go for one it is more likely a petrol, my commute is around 7 mies and I think that'll cause problems with any particulate filter?
7 miles commute? You lucky man!
This gives you the excuse to get a nice 3.0 manual like mine. Just make sure the transfer box is leak free, and buy on condition as always.
Enjoy
There's no reason why you should feel disappointed.
At that mileage and age some of the suspension bushings may be coming to the end of their life, so check for 'looseness' in the steering or clunking over bumps.
Other than that, just the usual things that have already been mentioned. It should have had it's plugs changed in late 2012, so check in the service book if it's been done.
They're quite heavy though, so don't expect it to be a rocketship!
Let us know how the viewing goes
At that mileage and age some of the suspension bushings may be coming to the end of their life, so check for 'looseness' in the steering or clunking over bumps.
Other than that, just the usual things that have already been mentioned. It should have had it's plugs changed in late 2012, so check in the service book if it's been done.
They're quite heavy though, so don't expect it to be a rocketship!
Let us know how the viewing goes
Service by an indie by the looks of it, in Thirsk.
So a stamp but no mention of plugs.
No clunks or rattles (except an interior squeek from the back)
Didn't feel fast but looking down at the speedo was a bit surprising
Biggest disappointment was the steering felt "dead", where as the old Volvo, even with 200k miles, you got feed back.
Under bonnet not body colour just a sort of shiny blue grey primer, is that right.
2005 model, 52k miles, petrol V6, manual, leather MoT Sept. Tax May, £4250 - does that sound ok.
So a stamp but no mention of plugs.
No clunks or rattles (except an interior squeek from the back)
Didn't feel fast but looking down at the speedo was a bit surprising
Biggest disappointment was the steering felt "dead", where as the old Volvo, even with 200k miles, you got feed back.
Under bonnet not body colour just a sort of shiny blue grey primer, is that right.
2005 model, 52k miles, petrol V6, manual, leather MoT Sept. Tax May, £4250 - does that sound ok.
I bought an X-Type 3 litre V6 less than 2 years ago - for just under £3k.....
Loved it, even its regular trips to the fuel pumps.
Loved the power, the handling, the comfortable ride, the exhaust noise, the comfy seats, the massive boot - made even larger when folding the rear seats down.
It was cheap to service, cheap to insure (cost me less than insuring a Renault Laguna), cruised effortlessly at more than the legal limit.
And then the engine went bang in a big way with less than 68k on the clock. The cost of a new engine plus fitting means that the car is to be scrapped (unless someone knows different & can do me a good deal on a new engine & fitting).
Gutted because i loved that car.
Would i recommend an X-Type to anyone?
Yes. Because they are good cars - until (or unless) the engine gives up.
Loved it, even its regular trips to the fuel pumps.
Loved the power, the handling, the comfortable ride, the exhaust noise, the comfy seats, the massive boot - made even larger when folding the rear seats down.
It was cheap to service, cheap to insure (cost me less than insuring a Renault Laguna), cruised effortlessly at more than the legal limit.
And then the engine went bang in a big way with less than 68k on the clock. The cost of a new engine plus fitting means that the car is to be scrapped (unless someone knows different & can do me a good deal on a new engine & fitting).
Gutted because i loved that car.
Would i recommend an X-Type to anyone?
Yes. Because they are good cars - until (or unless) the engine gives up.
Loved mine, 3.0 manual. I tried a 2.5 and it wasnt really all that compared to the 3.0, which was surprisingly quick. I dont mean feeling like you're being pushed back into the seat acceleration, just you'd find yourself looking down at the speedo not realising it'd crept up as far as it had.
The only thing I found with it was the amount of seat position options made me constantly re-adjust, there were times when I had the wheel and seat back in a good position, but my shins were up against the steering column trim. Could have done with everything going back a little bit, but didnt really affect comfort
For going to Skye, definitely - like taking an armchair out for a day. I did London and back from Sheffield and had no back/shoulder pains that I've had in other cars.
They do like a drink though
The only thing I found with it was the amount of seat position options made me constantly re-adjust, there were times when I had the wheel and seat back in a good position, but my shins were up against the steering column trim. Could have done with everything going back a little bit, but didnt really affect comfort
For going to Skye, definitely - like taking an armchair out for a day. I did London and back from Sheffield and had no back/shoulder pains that I've had in other cars.
They do like a drink though
A friend of mine has a 03 plate 3.0 manual with 140k on the clock, but FSH, with a mix of main dealer and Indy stamps. Apart from a few small issues, it has been very reliable. He bought it as a stop gap, but he liked it so much, he has put 35k on it in 3 years! It passed it's MOT last month with no issues, but he does look after his cars. Before that he had a 3 year old 3 series BMW and that was another story, cost him thousands including a new set of alloys, as the full set had cracks in them! Pick up a decent 3.0 X type with good history, don't skimp on services, that was his advice.
I've got an 06 2.2d estate sport spec. Have had it for a year and a bit and it is a cracking car. Handles well, fun to drive, feels a bit special inside compared to other cars we looked at when trying to pick up diesel estate for decent money. I told the wife I reckoned we should get a Jag, she said convince me, we went and saw one and she was hooked on the idea.
If you buy a pre 2007 diesel there isn't a DPF.
I think the estates are good looking cars, not such a fan of the saloons.
My dad had a series of Jags, three XJs over the years and then an XJS convertible. Never mind what some say in my mind the X Type feels as much like a Jag as they did, albeit a bit less luxurious because it is a much cheaper car.
Compare them to a BMW, Audi or Merc and you are getting premium motoring for much less.
If you buy a pre 2007 diesel there isn't a DPF.
I think the estates are good looking cars, not such a fan of the saloons.
My dad had a series of Jags, three XJs over the years and then an XJS convertible. Never mind what some say in my mind the X Type feels as much like a Jag as they did, albeit a bit less luxurious because it is a much cheaper car.
Compare them to a BMW, Audi or Merc and you are getting premium motoring for much less.
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