Manual Gearboxes
Manual Gearboxes
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Ocarru

Original Poster:

147 posts

226 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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Just out of curiousity, were any of the X300/308s produced with manual gearboxes? Was looking at one today in the traffic (x308) and was thinking how good the sculptured bonnet looks, but I am not a fan of automatics. I know they are well suited for automatic transmissions, it's just that I like a manual shift myself. Was it the American market that led to Jaguar going down the automatic mainly route?

Any help appreciated smile

BigNige

2,584 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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Chap at work here has a manual 3.2 X300

smile

Tame Technician

2,467 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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X300 you can get manuals, but they are very rare.

We had a few customers that had XJR manuals and they were mental, so much faster than the Auto. The manual box and proper LSD were much fun, many a sideways moment was had.

But sadly X308 is auto only.

But given Jaguar sold very few, they are very hard to find, and usually on poverty spec cars. The clutch is really heavy and the gear change pretty poor and agricultural.

NormanD

3,208 posts

254 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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I am in the middle of developing a Manual conversion for the 4Lt XKR
After that working on the 4.2Lt

I believe the 4Lt X308 uses the same gearbox so could then be available for that

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

277 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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The X308 was never designed to have a manual transmission.

To do the conversion is mechanically straightforward, you could use a manual pedal box from an X300, make an adaptor plate and use a Getrag 290 or potentially a Tremec T56. You would then use some X300 diff ratio to get the gearing you want, and possibly an LSD.

The hard part is getting the CAN system to work.

Good luck.

piquet

659 posts

283 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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just a thought, my understanding was the ecu always wants to know what gear the car is in and when the gear is being changed so it ca ease off on the torque and the hard bit is getting the CAN to work without it, but the emerald ECU is designed to work with the CAN system and has the option to know when the clutch is down and what the gear is as it has a set up for flat shifting, hence could you plug the the emerald ECU into the CAN to give the engine the info it needs?

Ocarru

Original Poster:

147 posts

226 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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Thanks all for taking the time to reply thumbup

I must admit I was thinking about the XJR primarily...

NormanD, your development sounds promising and I would be really interested to find out how you get on.

NormanD

3,208 posts

254 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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Ocarru said:
Thanks all for taking the time to reply thumbup

I must admit I was thinking about the XJR primarily...

NormanD, your development sounds promising and I would be really interested to find out how you get on.
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SFMXKR

525 posts

211 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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After that working on the 4.2Lt

bow

You may just be my favourite person on the planet today.

Progress, prices, info!

NormanD

3,208 posts

254 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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SFMXKR said:
After that working on the 4.2Lt

bow

You may just be my favourite person on the planet today.

Progress, prices, info!
The 'Black Box' to fool the engine ECU is the time consuming part, as soon as I get the 'All Clear' that that works I'll be pushing ahead on the 'Bell Housing' castings.

I have a choice of three gearboxes that have the correct ratios that will take the power of the XKR even allowing for any increase that may have been applied. Im sure anyone wanting a manual would or will be looking for more horses.

I have also found two 'Road going' Clutches that will also take the power.

I'm hoping to be able to do a Kit for something like £5,000, £6,000 at the most
The third gearbox offered will be a Sequential but that would be something like an extra £10,000
Instilation costs by a good Independant should work out at about £1,000

The first few instilations will be installed by myself and Tom to check there are no Pitfulls

Edited by NormanD on Thursday 29th October 08:28

Johnniem

2,743 posts

249 months

Sunday 8th November 2009
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I owned a manual XJR 300 for several years and let me tell you, it was fantastic!! Do whatever you can to get one. Not much money either. I sold mine three years ago for £2600! Major car for so little and pretty much bomb proof. Good luck!