Those S-Type sauce pipes
Discussion
From my observations it seems that in 2005 they changed from pointy-down to sticky-out - something about a particulate filter? Are there any connotations in this?
I think the tax for all 2.7Ds is £210pa - or there is some New Labour catch that means if it's 2006 you get nailed for £400? I know there's a cut-off at April 2001; what's the next one please?
I think the tax for all 2.7Ds is £210pa - or there is some New Labour catch that means if it's 2006 you get nailed for £400? I know there's a cut-off at April 2001; what's the next one please?
Turned down pipes dont have DPF. Straight outward pipes have DPF. Its to do with the newer euro 4 emmission specs. Euro 4 cars are better for the evironment, but have a litle more potencial to go wrong. They have extra sensor for the DPF's that can play up, especially on 2.0TDI Audi's. But the main thing any manufacturers DPF's, is they can get clogged and cause problems if you do lost of short runs, otherwise no significant issue.
Regarding TAX, all cars after 2001 are taxed on there CO2 output. Its writen on the V5 reg doc for the car (so before buying a believing sales bods check the paper work), and usually listed in the data bit of autotrader adds as a precheck before looking at the car. You can check the rates on the Direct gov website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The second cut off is March 2006, but I think the 2.7D is bellow the 225g/km that gets the big bills.
Basically its for very big diesel engines or high performance petrol engines, basically anything with more power than a hot hatch makes more than 225g/km of CO2.
So if you want to by and 4.2XKR and you get a 55plate one its, £235 a year for tax, get an Identical 06 plate one and its £435. Same car same engine same co2 g/km output, different reg date.
Regarding TAX, all cars after 2001 are taxed on there CO2 output. Its writen on the V5 reg doc for the car (so before buying a believing sales bods check the paper work), and usually listed in the data bit of autotrader adds as a precheck before looking at the car. You can check the rates on the Direct gov website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The second cut off is March 2006, but I think the 2.7D is bellow the 225g/km that gets the big bills.
Basically its for very big diesel engines or high performance petrol engines, basically anything with more power than a hot hatch makes more than 225g/km of CO2.
So if you want to by and 4.2XKR and you get a 55plate one its, £235 a year for tax, get an Identical 06 plate one and its £435. Same car same engine same co2 g/km output, different reg date.
Tame Technician said:
Turned down pipes dont have DPF. Straight outward pipes have DPF. Its to do with the newer euro 4 emmission specs. Euro 4 cars are better for the evironment, but have a litle more potencial to go wrong. They have extra sensor for the DPF's that can play up, especially on 2.0TDI Audi's. But the main thing any manufacturers DPF's, is they can get clogged and cause problems if you do lost of short runs, otherwise no significant issue.
Regarding TAX, all cars after 2001 are taxed on there CO2 output. Its writen on the V5 reg doc for the car (so before buying a believing sales bods check the paper work), and usually listed in the data bit of autotrader adds as a precheck before looking at the car. You can check the rates on the Direct gov website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The second cut off is March 2006, but I think the 2.7D is bellow the 225g/km that gets the big bills.
Basically its for very big diesel engines or high performance petrol engines, basically anything with more power than a hot hatch makes more than 225g/km of CO2.
So if you want to by and 4.2XKR and you get a 55plate one its, £235 a year for tax, get an Identical 06 plate one and its £435. Same car same engine same co2 g/km output, different reg date.
I thought it was 2001 ? so a Jag doing 250g/km plus will be £435 after i think next May 2011 Regarding TAX, all cars after 2001 are taxed on there CO2 output. Its writen on the V5 reg doc for the car (so before buying a believing sales bods check the paper work), and usually listed in the data bit of autotrader adds as a precheck before looking at the car. You can check the rates on the Direct gov website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The second cut off is March 2006, but I think the 2.7D is bellow the 225g/km that gets the big bills.
Basically its for very big diesel engines or high performance petrol engines, basically anything with more power than a hot hatch makes more than 225g/km of CO2.
So if you want to by and 4.2XKR and you get a 55plate one its, £235 a year for tax, get an Identical 06 plate one and its £435. Same car same engine same co2 g/km output, different reg date.
Please tell me i am Talking Total b
ks !!!Tame Technician said:
Turned down pipes dont have DPF. Straight outward pipes have DPF. Its to do with the newer euro 4 emmission specs. Euro 4 cars are better for the evironment, but have a litle more potencial to go wrong. They have extra sensor for the DPF's that can play up, especially on 2.0TDI Audi's. But the main thing any manufacturers DPF's, is they can get clogged and cause problems if you do lost of short runs, otherwise no significant issue.
Regarding TAX, all cars after 2001 are taxed on there CO2 output. Its writen on the V5 reg doc for the car (so before buying a believing sales bods check the paper work), and usually listed in the data bit of autotrader adds as a precheck before looking at the car. You can check the rates on the Direct gov website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The second cut off is March 2006, but I think the 2.7D is bellow the 225g/km that gets the big bills.
Basically its for very big diesel engines or high performance petrol engines, basically anything with more power than a hot hatch makes more than 225g/km of CO2.
Excellent, many thanks TT.Regarding TAX, all cars after 2001 are taxed on there CO2 output. Its writen on the V5 reg doc for the car (so before buying a believing sales bods check the paper work), and usually listed in the data bit of autotrader adds as a precheck before looking at the car. You can check the rates on the Direct gov website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The second cut off is March 2006, but I think the 2.7D is bellow the 225g/km that gets the big bills.
Basically its for very big diesel engines or high performance petrol engines, basically anything with more power than a hot hatch makes more than 225g/km of CO2.
The website mentions 'Cars registered on or after 1 March 2001' and also 'First year rates - Cars registered on or after 1 April 2010' (which doesn't apply to me). The 2006 date seems only to apply to Band K: 'Band K includes cars that have a CO2 figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006'. So any 2.7D before that is £235.
05/06 is exactly the area I'm hunting in so I need to get it right.
There are two variables:
1) pre-DPF/post-DPF - identifiable by the exhausts. Do these have different CO2 figures?
2) pre 23 March 2006/Post 23 March 2006
The site links to www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ved/ but this only gives 'current new' models, so, although the S-Type is no longer available new, the only entry is 'Euro 4'. I assume this means the models with the DPF (denoted by straight-out exhaust pipes) but what about the previous model?
In short, I think that if I buy a pre 23 March 2006 model I'm OK, but if I see a cracking one a month newer, I want to make sure I'm not going to get nailed for £415, a sum which will see me forced to drive a Micra which is of course what they want.
BTW this is good for a heart attack! (It also gives a 'new' S-Type, ie DPF, as 208g/km)
I just got back from the pub, following lots of vodka and redbull, so dont blaim me if this doesnt make scence.
It seems All s-type 2.7D's are less than 225g/km so it doesnt matter weather they are 2005 or 2006 MY, the big tax increase is for cars making over 225g/km.
Just checking a few cars on autotrader it seems manuals are 179 or 189g/km but autos are all 208g/km, weather euro 4 or not. SO it makes no difference.
The 225 cut off makes a big difference if you want to by a petrol car with some performance (they are all over 225), but for oil burners its only the really big engines (Audi 4.0TDI is 265 for example)
If you need to know how many CO2's a car makes, it is printed on the V5 of every car since 2001, but to find out without looking at its V5 go the the DVLA web site and click on vehicle enqiry.
Fill in the reg and select the make from the list, dont worry about the rest, click on next and all the details come up.
http://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/
Example, reg picked at random from autotrader trade add.
VEHICLE ENQUIRY Services Provided By DVLA: DVLA
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for PN05 XFD are:
Date of Liability 01 08 2010
Date of First Registration 24 03 2005
Year of Manufacture 2005
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2720CC
CO2 Emissions 208g/Km
Fuel Type Heavy Oil
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval M1
This vehicle can be licensed at a DVLA Local Office without the V5C Registration Certificate
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £134.75
12 Months Rate £245.00
It seems All s-type 2.7D's are less than 225g/km so it doesnt matter weather they are 2005 or 2006 MY, the big tax increase is for cars making over 225g/km.
Just checking a few cars on autotrader it seems manuals are 179 or 189g/km but autos are all 208g/km, weather euro 4 or not. SO it makes no difference.
The 225 cut off makes a big difference if you want to by a petrol car with some performance (they are all over 225), but for oil burners its only the really big engines (Audi 4.0TDI is 265 for example)
If you need to know how many CO2's a car makes, it is printed on the V5 of every car since 2001, but to find out without looking at its V5 go the the DVLA web site and click on vehicle enqiry.
Fill in the reg and select the make from the list, dont worry about the rest, click on next and all the details come up.
http://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/
Example, reg picked at random from autotrader trade add.
VEHICLE ENQUIRY Services Provided By DVLA: DVLA
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for PN05 XFD are:
Date of Liability 01 08 2010
Date of First Registration 24 03 2005
Year of Manufacture 2005
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2720CC
CO2 Emissions 208g/Km
Fuel Type Heavy Oil
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval M1
This vehicle can be licensed at a DVLA Local Office without the V5C Registration Certificate
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £134.75
12 Months Rate £245.00
Tame Technician said:
I just got back from the pub, following lots of vodka and redbull, so dont blaim me if this doesnt make scence.
It seems All s-type 2.7D's are less than 225g/km so it doesnt matter weather they are 2005 or 2006 MY, the big tax increase is for cars making over 225g/km.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £134.75
12 Months Rate £245.00
It makes perfect sense and is correct.It seems All s-type 2.7D's are less than 225g/km so it doesnt matter weather they are 2005 or 2006 MY, the big tax increase is for cars making over 225g/km.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £134.75
12 Months Rate £245.00
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