S-Type diesel in mpg shock
S-Type diesel in mpg shock
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Simpo Two

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Friday 15th April 2011
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Setting off yesterday to make a 65 mile journey home, making 'average' B-road progress around 50mph, I looked at the instant mpg readout and it said 95. Now this can happen when you take your foot off the gas, but it wasn't. The road was level and I was maintaining speed. After a while there was a roundabout which I thought would kill the magic, but even when accelerating gently on the other side the mpg only dropped to 50mpg - then recovered to 90+.

I reset the trip computer to see how long it would last and whether the various readings tallied. I was thinking that either the sensor had failed, or half a bank of cylinders had packed up - but the car was behaving normally.

Sadly after about 5 miles the mpg started to drop to more normal levels and I got home having averaged 46mpg - still more than the 40 I usually get.

Could this have been caused by the DPF regenerating or - what else?

diesel piston

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Friday 15th April 2011
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Simpo Two said:
Setting off yesterday to make a 65 mile journey home, making 'average' B-road progress around 50mph, I looked at the instant mpg readout and it said 95.
Could this have been caused by the DPF regenerating or - what else?
Yeah mine reads 99mpg when the DPF regenerates

Simpo Two

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Friday 15th April 2011
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Aha!

So, how do I get it to regenerate all the time, and what is the car running on when it does so? spin

diesel piston

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Friday 15th April 2011
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Simpo Two said:
Aha!

So, how do I get it to regenerate all the time,
And get 99mpg all the time ? haha
If only eh ? biggrin

Simpo Two

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Friday 15th April 2011
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Indeedy. Just need to think of a way to clog it up really quickly, say with some clag out of my grill pan - to prompt it to regenerate and get the benefit of 99mpg for a while on every trip...

diesel piston

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Saturday 16th April 2011
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Joking aside the 99mpg read out is probably the result of the end of the stage in the DPF regen process where extra diesel has been being injected to fire `the burn`and leveling out the actual mpg, which will be borne out by the overall mpg read out. smile

Simpo Two

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Saturday 16th April 2011
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Hmm, so the true mpg is about 45 but it says 95+?

How does this regenerating thing work anyway?

diesel piston

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Sunday 17th April 2011
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There are two DPF cycles: passive and active.

On passive cycle the DPF will require the car to regularly be driven significant distances at 2,000rpm plus for the DPF to get hot enough to regenerate and burn off the particulates in it.

Some DPFs have an 'active' cycle where additional fuel is injected into the combustion chambers to create hotter than normal exhaust gases to burn off particulates in the DPF.



Edited by diesel piston on Sunday 17th April 07:43

Simpo Two

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Sunday 17th April 2011
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diesel piston said:
On passive cycle the DPF will require the car to regularly be driven significant distances at 2,000rpm plus for the DPF to get hot enough to regenerate and burn off the particulates in it.

Some DPFs have an 'active' cycle where additional fuel is injected into the combustion chambers to create hotter than normal exhaust gases to burn off particulates in the DPF.
Thanks DP, so it seems to be like an oven doing a pyrolytic cleaning cycle and burning carbon to CO2 and water.

Right, so 'Passive' doesn't use extra fuel so should have no effect on mpg; 'Active' usues extra fuel so should decrease mpg. Neither tallies with 95+ mpg so I think I will have to file this under 'interesting' and move on smile

Toffer

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Friday 9th September 2011
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The engine is a joint Ford/Peugeot design and uses the expensive ELOYS fluid to raise exhaust temperature during regeneration of the particulate filter...it is a similar system to that used on my Citroen C5 2.2HDi. Injecting the ELOYS would provide you with the higher than expected MPG figure... smile

Simpo Two

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Friday 9th September 2011
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wavey

But how can injecting extra fuel use less fuel...?


wibble

diesel piston

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Saturday 10th September 2011
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Toffer said:
The engine is a joint Ford/Peugeot design and uses the expensive ELOYS fluid to raise exhaust temperature during regeneration of the particulate filter...it is a similar system to that used on my Citroen C5 2.2HDi. Injecting the ELOYS would provide you with the higher than expected MPG figure... smile
Your wrong, the 2.7d/3.0d don`t use the ELOYS system.

Edited by diesel piston on Saturday 10th September 16:53

Toffer

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Thursday 15th September 2011
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My apologies. smile

diesel piston

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Thursday 15th September 2011
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Toffer said:
My apologies. smile
No apologies necessary my friend, it might have been better if they had ! wink

Simpo Two

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Thursday 15th September 2011
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The original Elois were eaten by the Morlocks, though I don't know what MORLOCKS stands for...