F Type reliability
Discussion
Morning,
It really depends on model, age and mileage.
I had one of the very first 2013 V6S and it was awful, so much so I sold it as was sick of £800 bills every 6+ months or so. Cost me more on maintenance than any of my previous cars added up. This list is by no means not exhaustive, but in the 3 years I had the car I replaced the Supercharger (under warranty) most of the coolant pipes, water pump, rear subframe bushes, rear suspension top mounts, steering wheel controls, sticky exhaust valves, 3x O2\lambda sensors, crackling speaker and so much more.
However, they're amazing cars with so much character. In fact, I'm now in a 2021 P450 V8 car and the difference is night and day. I guess they've had 8 years of revisions and parts being superseded. I would say you should be fine anything 2018 and newer (just read about the headlight issues as that gets very expensive in the pre facelift cars). Finding one with a full service history can be a challenge and I hear Jaguar have doubled the warranty costs this year, which for me is a worry as the one condition of returning to an F-Type was I would keep it under Jaguar warranty.
It really depends on model, age and mileage.
I had one of the very first 2013 V6S and it was awful, so much so I sold it as was sick of £800 bills every 6+ months or so. Cost me more on maintenance than any of my previous cars added up. This list is by no means not exhaustive, but in the 3 years I had the car I replaced the Supercharger (under warranty) most of the coolant pipes, water pump, rear subframe bushes, rear suspension top mounts, steering wheel controls, sticky exhaust valves, 3x O2\lambda sensors, crackling speaker and so much more.
However, they're amazing cars with so much character. In fact, I'm now in a 2021 P450 V8 car and the difference is night and day. I guess they've had 8 years of revisions and parts being superseded. I would say you should be fine anything 2018 and newer (just read about the headlight issues as that gets very expensive in the pre facelift cars). Finding one with a full service history can be a challenge and I hear Jaguar have doubled the warranty costs this year, which for me is a worry as the one condition of returning to an F-Type was I would keep it under Jaguar warranty.
Be very careful with your money right now unless you're not planning to sell forever, values seem to have dropped very sharply in the last couple of months and trade auctions are awash with them.
2020 340bhp V6 on 7k miles is £38k CAP
2019 380bhp V6 on 27k miles is £35k CAP
Also so you know how much you're likely to lose over 5 years:
2014 380bhp V6 on 40k miles is £20k CAP
You won't be paying that from a dealer, obviously, although that's about where a private sale should sit, but that's what the man on the other side of the table is looking at (if he's lucky, as I say the market is absolutely awash and nothing is coming close to CAP) if he needs to liquidate the stock fast so don't go paying £50k for one unless you like the smell of burning £50 notes.
Reliability is by all accounts very good, good aftermarket support, lots of shared parts with earlier models. A lot of the underpinnings are from earlier models that have proven to take big mileages and wear them well, and while I've not run an F Type I'm running it's predecessor and platform mate X150 XKR as a snotter and that's on 145,000 miles right now with no big issues. There is a bloke on here from the US with 200k+ on a 5.0 XKR and that's not uncommon.
If the biggest complaints people have about their up to 575bhp sports car is slow rising vents and the odd O2 sensor I think that says a lot, go onto an Audi Forum and check out what an RS model will do to you
I'd absolutely run one without a warranty. Maintain it, keep an eye on your fluid levels and watch out for coolant leaks, and you don't have anything major crap itself. It's not a BMW.
Oh yes and a single owner from new 93k mile 2014 V8 S Roadster has a £15,700 CAP. I'm watching that with interest...
2020 340bhp V6 on 7k miles is £38k CAP
2019 380bhp V6 on 27k miles is £35k CAP
Also so you know how much you're likely to lose over 5 years:
2014 380bhp V6 on 40k miles is £20k CAP
You won't be paying that from a dealer, obviously, although that's about where a private sale should sit, but that's what the man on the other side of the table is looking at (if he's lucky, as I say the market is absolutely awash and nothing is coming close to CAP) if he needs to liquidate the stock fast so don't go paying £50k for one unless you like the smell of burning £50 notes.
Reliability is by all accounts very good, good aftermarket support, lots of shared parts with earlier models. A lot of the underpinnings are from earlier models that have proven to take big mileages and wear them well, and while I've not run an F Type I'm running it's predecessor and platform mate X150 XKR as a snotter and that's on 145,000 miles right now with no big issues. There is a bloke on here from the US with 200k+ on a 5.0 XKR and that's not uncommon.
If the biggest complaints people have about their up to 575bhp sports car is slow rising vents and the odd O2 sensor I think that says a lot, go onto an Audi Forum and check out what an RS model will do to you
I'd absolutely run one without a warranty. Maintain it, keep an eye on your fluid levels and watch out for coolant leaks, and you don't have anything major crap itself. It's not a BMW.
Oh yes and a single owner from new 93k mile 2014 V8 S Roadster has a £15,700 CAP. I'm watching that with interest...
GeniusOfLove said:
2020 340bhp V6 on 7k miles is £38k CAP
2019 380bhp V6 on 27k miles is £35k CAP
I'd absolutely run one without a warranty. Maintain it, keep an eye on your fluid levels and watch out for coolant leaks, and you don't have anything major crap itself. It's not a BMW.
Those values seem very high. You can get a 2020 P450 V8 with 11k miles for £40.5k. Convertible too which generally are a little more than the coupe (Were £5k more when never like for like)2019 380bhp V6 on 27k miles is £35k CAP
I'd absolutely run one without a warranty. Maintain it, keep an eye on your fluid levels and watch out for coolant leaks, and you don't have anything major crap itself. It's not a BMW.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412067...
The trade may be awash with them, but there's only 4x V8 convertibles on the Jaguar used approved site at the moment.
As for your BMW comment, that certainly doesn't reflect my experience of owning around 15x BMW's. I spent more on replacing failed parts on the F-Type V6S than all of those BMW's added up. So I either got very lucky with15 cars or super unlucky with the Jag. I'm sure JLRr came bottom of the US J D Powers survey. Again, not trying to put anyone off as I absolutely love mine, but the quality leaves a great deal to be desired.
scz4 said:
Those values seem very high. You can get a 2020 P450 V8 with 11k miles for £40.5k. Convertible too which generally are a little more than the coupe (Were £5k more when never like for like)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412067...
The trade may be awash with them, but there's only 4x V8 convertibles on the Jaguar used approved site at the moment.
As for your BMW comment, that certainly doesn't reflect my experience of owning around 15x BMW's. I spent more on replacing failed parts on the F-Type V6S than all of those BMW's added up. So I either got very lucky with15 cars or super unlucky with the Jag. I'm sure JLRr came bottom of the US J D Powers survey. Again, not trying to put anyone off as I absolutely love mine, but the quality leaves a great deal to be desired.
I haven't been following them in detail, as I said those are CAP values and from what I have seen they're not getting anywhere close. Main point is... they're cheap but like all Jaguars there are a lot of sellers with rather hilarious ideas of what their rapidly depreciating car is worth.https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412067...
The trade may be awash with them, but there's only 4x V8 convertibles on the Jaguar used approved site at the moment.
As for your BMW comment, that certainly doesn't reflect my experience of owning around 15x BMW's. I spent more on replacing failed parts on the F-Type V6S than all of those BMW's added up. So I either got very lucky with15 cars or super unlucky with the Jag. I'm sure JLRr came bottom of the US J D Powers survey. Again, not trying to put anyone off as I absolutely love mine, but the quality leaves a great deal to be desired.
V8s are much rarer as you say, historically seem to command a chunky premium too but I've watched 2 year old P450s go for a pittance recently too.
As for BMWs, I've run their V12s and V8s and everyone elses and I'd say I'd trust a group of weed smoking engineering undergrads to design an engine before I'd trust BMW. 8 year old Minis weeping oil from every seal, BMW M62 making a noise like a babies rattle on every startup from 2 years old, let's not even discuss the horror show of the N63 hot turbo V8.
Great when they're new and in warranty, I was forever getting given them to use and enjoyed pretty much all of them enormously, but running older ones I think it is fair to say my experience of their cars is different to yours, I share the US centric view on them
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Friday 20th December 14:57
scz4 said:
Those values seem very high. You can get a 2020 P450 V8 with 11k miles for £40.5k. Convertible too which generally are a little more than the coupe (Were £5k more when never like for like)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412067...
The trade may be awash with them, but there's only 4x V8 convertibles on the Jaguar used approved site at the moment.
As for your BMW comment, that certainly doesn't reflect my experience of owning around 15x BMW's. I spent more on replacing failed parts on the F-Type V6S than all of those BMW's added up. So I either got very lucky with15 cars or super unlucky with the Jag. I'm sure JLRr came bottom of the US J D Powers survey. Again, not trying to put anyone off as I absolutely love mine, but the quality leaves a great deal to be desired.
I suspect that for practicality reasons a Convertible F Type is an even more limited marketplace than a Coupe so personally I'm not surprised by that . Also the price differential when buying new is never carried over into the secondhand marketplace when buying a used Jaguar and anyone who would pay such a premium is clearly an idiot.https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412067...
The trade may be awash with them, but there's only 4x V8 convertibles on the Jaguar used approved site at the moment.
As for your BMW comment, that certainly doesn't reflect my experience of owning around 15x BMW's. I spent more on replacing failed parts on the F-Type V6S than all of those BMW's added up. So I either got very lucky with15 cars or super unlucky with the Jag. I'm sure JLRr came bottom of the US J D Powers survey. Again, not trying to put anyone off as I absolutely love mine, but the quality leaves a great deal to be desired.
I cant speak for your BMW experiences as I have never owned one but what I can say is that in the countless Jaguars I have owned my experience was similar to yours with BMW .
Quality whilst everything you would expect is there , I do have some sympathy with you but only with the interior .The quality of some of the plastics in the F Type especially the centre console is abysmal . Blistering performance especially in the SVR and 575 variants but sadly at high speeds let down in the bends by a poor driving position and not the greatest of boxes . I think the F type fell between two stools in that it isn't a proper sports car nor a proper GT so for Jaguar I think it was an opportunity missed . Personally I would advise everyone to keep an eye on the falling prices of the Aston Vantage . An AMG sourced Twin Turbo V8 means there are no worries about the usual Aston engine issues and effectively its a Gentleman's SVR . £50k is where it needs to be and I don't think the usual Aston Snobs have cottoned on to what a wonderful prospect the car is . Foolishly they mark it down for having an AMG sourced engine whilst totally ignoring the fact its two Ford V6s that make up the V12 in the DB9 . Their ignorance in my book is a gain for the rest of us .
bennno said:
Problem is that Astons initially depreciate like a piano pushed off a balcony, as this slows down they age in dog years.
I personally think cab F type is the one to have, having owned an early S and then a P450 id take the P450 for its improved interior, sat nav, dash, sharper handling and better build quality.
Which is no different from a Jaguar F Type but we aren't buying new so initial depreciation is completely irrelevant . £65k should put a 12,000 to 14,000 mile AMG engined Vantage in anyones Garage and its more exclusive and a better car than any F Type and quicker too .I personally think cab F type is the one to have, having owned an early S and then a P450 id take the P450 for its improved interior, sat nav, dash, sharper handling and better build quality.
I was only offering this Aston up in particular as on account of its German origin engine , I believe its undervalued for what it is . I think simple economics will in future make it difficult for a Producer such as Aston to build engines and these Engine shares with the likes of AMG will become the norm .
reddiesel said:
Which is no different from a Jaguar F Type but we aren't buying new so initial depreciation is completely irrelevant . £65k should put a 12,000 to 14,000 mile AMG engined Vantage in anyones Garage and its more exclusive and a better car than any F Type and quicker too .
I was only offering this Aston up in particular as on account of its German origin engine , I believe its undervalued for what it is . I think simple economics will in future make it difficult for a Producer such as Aston to build engines and these Engine shares with the likes of AMG will become the norm .
You're not wrong, they're depreciating fiercly and so is the V8 DB11. Big gap in actual cash value between equivalent age/mileage F Types and V8Vs though!I was only offering this Aston up in particular as on account of its German origin engine , I believe its undervalued for what it is . I think simple economics will in future make it difficult for a Producer such as Aston to build engines and these Engine shares with the likes of AMG will become the norm .
GeniusOfLove said:
You're not wrong, they're depreciating fiercly and so is the V8 DB11. Big gap in actual cash value between equivalent age/mileage F Types and V8Vs though!
I know you completely understand where I am coming from . When I see F Types at £70,000 and £80,000 at main dealers and read of People on this very Forum contemplating buying one it just shouts out insanity to me . Secondhand as you say there is a difference between the values of F Types and Vantages of the same age and thats perfectly expected but values are only going in one direction .I don't want to clog up a Jaguar Forum with excessive talk of Aston Martins but just as Jaguars adoption of mass market aluminium construction in 2003 these AMG engined Vantages are in their own way just as groundbreaking and largely unloved and undervalued by the typical Aston owning snob .
Prices have and will continue to reflect this . I think they are a bargain and becoming moreso each passing month and to all those still tempted by laying out anything north of £60k on an F Type I simply say "have a think"
bennno said:
Problem is that Astons initially depreciate like a piano pushed off a balcony, as this slows down they age in dog years.
I personally think cab F type is the one to have, having owned an early S and then a P450 id take the P450 for its improved interior, sat nav, dash, sharper handling and better build quality.
So you've already said I personally think cab F type is the one to have, having owned an early S and then a P450 id take the P450 for its improved interior, sat nav, dash, sharper handling and better build quality.
reddiesel said:
Which is no different from a Jaguar F Type but we aren't buying new so initial depreciation is completely irrelevant . £65k should put a 12,000 to 14,000 mile AMG engined Vantage in anyones Garage and its more exclusive and a better car than any F Type and quicker too .
I was only offering this Aston up in particular as on account of its German origin engine , I believe it’s undervalued for what it is . I think simple economics will in future make it difficult for a Producer such as Aston to build engines and these Engine shares with the likes of AMG will become the norm .
Yes, but you’d be able to buy a similar age v8 Jaguar for £30-35k (50% less) whilst servicing and repair costs are peanuts by comparison.I was only offering this Aston up in particular as on account of its German origin engine , I believe it’s undervalued for what it is . I think simple economics will in future make it difficult for a Producer such as Aston to build engines and these Engine shares with the likes of AMG will become the norm .
I think the very latest vantage is a fantastic looking car, so hopefully depreciation will continue as I will buy in due course….
I think I did okay getting one of the last 75 Edition P450 V8's pre-registered with delivery miles for £62k
Yes, it will depreciate hugely in the first few years, but this irrelevant to me as I am not selling it.
"Exit Level Motoring".
I did look at a Vantage, but I couldn't see an obvious benefit - tech and interior looked worse, if anything, but I didn't test drive it, so I couldn't comment on how it compares on the road.
Yes, it will depreciate hugely in the first few years, but this irrelevant to me as I am not selling it.
"Exit Level Motoring".
I did look at a Vantage, but I couldn't see an obvious benefit - tech and interior looked worse, if anything, but I didn't test drive it, so I couldn't comment on how it compares on the road.
Edited by dvinell on Sunday 22 December 10:03
bennno said:
Yes, but you’d be able to buy a similar age v8 Jaguar for £30-35k (50% less) whilst servicing and repair costs are peanuts by comparison.
I think the very latest vantage is a fantastic looking car, so hopefully depreciation will continue as I will buy in due course….
Fair comment Benno , you will enjoy the Vantage I think the very latest vantage is a fantastic looking car, so hopefully depreciation will continue as I will buy in due course….
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