Jaguar F Type R rear tyres
Discussion
Afternoon all, having bought a Jaguar F Type R V8 in the spring the time has come to replace the rear tyres on the beast. Michelin PS4's or PZero's are the obvious choice for this car but given that the PZero's that are currently on it have only lasted around 5k miles I wonder if trying something else would be a good idea. I realise I am getting through them at quite a rate so have been wondering if it's worth spending the money on premium tyres such as the aforementioned PS4's or PZeros etc. or going for a cheaper option?
I personally wouldn't go for a cheaper option on a V8 R though I suppose in time many People will as the cars monetary value starts to decrease . Im not clear what you are saying about the P Zeros lasting only 5000 miles yet you only bought the car in the spring ?
Is 5000 miles the cars total mileage since new though not all of it covered by you ? From my own experience with the P Zeros on two F types , a 911 GTS and two Vantages my guess is the tyres have been hammered on track days and spirited driving by previous Owners . 7500 to 10000 miles is easily achievable on a set of P Zeros . As regards the comparison with the Michelin tyres you mention I found the P Zeros perfectly adequate on the F Types and the 911 GTS but completely crap on both Astons . So much so that I had them changed on both cars with barely 1000 miles covered for the PS Michelins . A complete game changer .
Of course I later said this on an Aston Forum and some bloke rocked up and said he had done the same but noticed no improvement and believed he had wasted his money ?? Thats Forums for you .
Is 5000 miles the cars total mileage since new though not all of it covered by you ? From my own experience with the P Zeros on two F types , a 911 GTS and two Vantages my guess is the tyres have been hammered on track days and spirited driving by previous Owners . 7500 to 10000 miles is easily achievable on a set of P Zeros . As regards the comparison with the Michelin tyres you mention I found the P Zeros perfectly adequate on the F Types and the 911 GTS but completely crap on both Astons . So much so that I had them changed on both cars with barely 1000 miles covered for the PS Michelins . A complete game changer .
Of course I later said this on an Aston Forum and some bloke rocked up and said he had done the same but noticed no improvement and believed he had wasted his money ?? Thats Forums for you .
reddiesel said:
I personally wouldn't go for a cheaper option on a V8 R though I suppose in time many People will as the cars monetary value starts to decrease . Im not clear what you are saying about the P Zeros lasting only 5000 miles yet you only bought the car in the spring ?
Is 5000 miles the cars total mileage since new though not all of it covered by you ? From my own experience with the P Zeros on two F types , a 911 GTS and two Vantages my guess is the tyres have been hammered on track days and spirited driving by previous Owners . 7500 to 10000 miles is easily achievable on a set of P Zeros . As regards the comparison with the Michelin tyres you mention I found the P Zeros perfectly adequate on the F Types and the 911 GTS but completely crap on both Astons . So much so that I had them changed on both cars with barely 1000 miles covered for the PS Michelins . A complete game changer .
Of course I later said this on an Aston Forum and some bloke rocked up and said he had done the same but noticed no improvement and believed he had wasted his money ?? Thats Forums for you .
I don't think it's a case of people doing so because of the monetary value beginning to drop as a cars value has no reflection of it's performance ie. 550hp HP to the rear wheels is the same in a 2025 car or a 2014 model and can still catch you out/casue an accident in the same way. The PZero's are around £260 each where as there are over sub £200 options which, if they last as long as the PZero's maybe worth a look at? Is 5000 miles the cars total mileage since new though not all of it covered by you ? From my own experience with the P Zeros on two F types , a 911 GTS and two Vantages my guess is the tyres have been hammered on track days and spirited driving by previous Owners . 7500 to 10000 miles is easily achievable on a set of P Zeros . As regards the comparison with the Michelin tyres you mention I found the P Zeros perfectly adequate on the F Types and the 911 GTS but completely crap on both Astons . So much so that I had them changed on both cars with barely 1000 miles covered for the PS Michelins . A complete game changer .
Of course I later said this on an Aston Forum and some bloke rocked up and said he had done the same but noticed no improvement and believed he had wasted his money ?? Thats Forums for you .
As for the PZero's, they were fitted from new in the spring when I bought the car and have managed 5,000 miles since then, so yes all mileage done by myself.
150234 said:
I don't think it's a case of people doing so because of the monetary value beginning to drop as a cars value has no reflection of it's performance ie. 550hp HP to the rear wheels is the same in a 2025 car or a 2014 model and can still catch you out/casue an accident in the same way. The PZero's are around £260 each where as there are over sub £200 options which, if they last as long as the PZero's maybe worth a look at?
As for the PZero's, they were fitted from new in the spring when I bought the car and have managed 5,000 miles since then, so yes all mileage done by myself.
I politely disagree with the first part of your reply . I think its a pretty well recognised fact that as cars start to depreciate they are eventually bought by those that believe they can run such a car on a shoestring and this is where the neglect of maintenance begins to occur . Few people for example are going to lay out close to £1000 for four tyres on a £7k XK nor are they going to frequent the local Jaguar Dealership . In time the F Type will follow the same path .As for the PZero's, they were fitted from new in the spring when I bought the car and have managed 5,000 miles since then, so yes all mileage done by myself.
I don't know about sub £200 tyres for a V8 R F Type . Surely there is more attached to buying a tyre for a 550hp Jaguar than how long the tyre lasts ? 5000 miles on a set of P Zeros under normal driving conditions is in my own experience towards the low end of the spectrum . Doubtless there will be someone out there who has replaced them at even less mileage , I would conclude their car was leading a hard life .
reddiesel said:
I politely disagree with the first part of your reply . I think its a pretty well recognised fact that as cars start to depreciate they are eventually bought by those that believe they can run such a car on a shoestring and this is where the neglect of maintenance begins to occur . Few people for example are going to lay out close to £1000 for four tyres on a £7k XK nor are they going to frequent the local Jaguar Dealership . In time the F Type will follow the same path .
I don't know about sub £200 tyres for a V8 R F Type . Surely there is more attached to buying a tyre for a 550hp Jaguar than how long the tyre lasts ? 5000 miles on a set of P Zeros under normal driving conditions is in my own experience towards the low end of the spectrum . Doubtless there will be someone out there who has replaced them at even less mileage , I would conclude their car was leading a hard life .
You are correct, although given that any decent spec and conditioned F Type R is in excess of £30,000, I wouldn’t say that we’re in the realms of £7,000 XK’s and cars similar, the F Type is still a premium car. I am hard on my rear tyres which is why I am considering cheaper options given that they don’t seem to last. I don't know about sub £200 tyres for a V8 R F Type . Surely there is more attached to buying a tyre for a 550hp Jaguar than how long the tyre lasts ? 5000 miles on a set of P Zeros under normal driving conditions is in my own experience towards the low end of the spectrum . Doubtless there will be someone out there who has replaced them at even less mileage , I would conclude their car was leading a hard life .
What else would you suggest is involved? Yes the grip of a premium tyre will be superior and is why I am still leaning towards a premium set but those also come at a cost
If you are "hard" on the tyres whatever that may entail , then I suspect there is little more involved than adopting a more "restrained" driving style . Personally I much preferred the AWD to the RWD which I guess you have ? On another point the suspension settings are adjustable for ride and handling , perhaps you want to have a look at your settings .
I have some experience of tyres on a MY14 F Type R RWD, I replaced the P Zeros which came on the car with Michelin PS4S and it was a massive improvement with grip levels increasing two fold.. I managed around 9k miles until replacement and that included a track day!
PS that reddiesel guys comes across as bellend, exactly why I rarely use Forums.
PS that reddiesel guys comes across as bellend, exactly why I rarely use Forums.
reddiesel said:
If you are "hard" on the tyres whatever that may entail , then I suspect there is little more involved than adopting a more "restrained" driving style . Personally I much preferred the AWD to the RWD which I guess you have ? On another point the suspension settings are adjustable for ride and handling , perhaps you want to have a look at your settings .
I don’t think that restraining my driving style is needed, I enjoy my car and with that of course comes a certain level of additional cost compared to using it normally. I don’t get the idea behind preferring AWD to RWD as RWD is inherently more fun than AWD in all conditions be it wet or dry.
Why would I need to look at my settings?
olly-robinson said:
I have some experience of tyres on a MY14 F Type R RWD, I replaced the P Zeros which came on the car with Michelin PS4S and it was a massive improvement with grip levels increasing two fold.. I managed around 9k miles until replacement and that included a track day!
PS that reddiesel guys comes across as bellend, exactly why I rarely use Forums.
Thank you for that insight on the PS4’s based on your experience, 9k miles is very good indeed especially if more grip comes with that additional mileage. PS that reddiesel guys comes across as bellend, exactly why I rarely use Forums.
I have the factory fitted P-Zeros on my P450AWD and find them fine, I also have them on my P400 F-Pace and am also happy with them on that tank.
One thing that I would never do (personally) is try to save a few bob on tyres, or brakes, they're quite important.
Funnily enough F-Type owners over here in Germany really don't like the P-Zeros and always change them to Michelins. No idea why though, maybe I'm just an old fart and don't drive mine quick enough
One thing that I would never do (personally) is try to save a few bob on tyres, or brakes, they're quite important.
Funnily enough F-Type owners over here in Germany really don't like the P-Zeros and always change them to Michelins. No idea why though, maybe I'm just an old fart and don't drive mine quick enough
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