Quick question on Audi Quattro 4WD
Quick question on Audi Quattro 4WD
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RobM77

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35,349 posts

265 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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Just a quick one that's proving tricky to pin down using Google: A friend of mine's just got a brand new Q5 2.0TDi Quattro and he reckons it's rear wheel drive until extra grip is needed, then power is sent to the front. I thought modern Quattro systems were the other way around? Can anyone confirm? I'm also generally just interested in how it works, and how it compares in the RS models. Thanks.

Zooks

282 posts

257 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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The Haldex system fitted to my TT is according to wiki :

"The Haldex system automatically distributes power between the front and rear wheels depending on slippage, but normally sends 95% of the power to the front wheels."

So I would say front is given priority and your friend is wrong although I was under the impression 'Dynamic' driving mode selects a 60/40 front/rear split

Bluesmurff09

336 posts

199 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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60/40 rear split on A4,5,6,7,8 Quattro's.

cuprabob

19,831 posts

245 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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Zooks said:
The Haldex system fitted to my TT is according to wiki :

"The Haldex system automatically distributes power between the front and rear wheels depending on slippage, but normally sends 95% of the power to the front wheels."

So I would say front is given priority and your friend is wrong although I was under the impression 'Dynamic' driving mode selects a 60/40 front/rear split
Q5 uses a Torsen system as opposed to a Haldex system.

tigger1

8,478 posts

252 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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Can't verify the accuracy, but a fairly detailed explanation here:

https://www.carwow.co.uk/guides/glossary/audi-quat...

annodomini2

6,974 posts

282 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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RobM77

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35,349 posts

265 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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annodomini2 said:
Fantastic, thank you.

AudiSport

1,499 posts

247 months

Saturday 9th December 2017
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RobM77 said:
Just a quick one that's proving tricky to pin down using Google: A friend of mine's just got a brand new Q5 2.0TDi Quattro and he reckons it's rear wheel drive until extra grip is needed, then power is sent to the front. I thought modern Quattro systems were the other way around? Can anyone confirm? I'm also generally just interested in how it works, and how it compares in the RS models. Thanks.
Alternatively, you could just be pleased for him and play dumb, even though you ‘now’ know better...

; )


NewNameNeeded

2,560 posts

256 months

Saturday 9th December 2017
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On the R8 the quattro is biased to the rear, with about 65-70pct of the power delivered to the rear wheels. Not sure about the other Audi Sport models.

dav_1991

15 posts

119 months

Saturday 9th December 2017
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I'm sure the new Q5 comes with the new Quattro on demand version of the system, if you go onto the configurator both the 2.0 TFSI and 2.0 TDI engines show the "Rear differential with uncoupling feature" under the safety & technology tabs but the 3.0 Tiptronic doesn't as this new version of the quattro system only works with engines producing less than 500Nm of torque.

I've got the new A5 coupe with the 2.0 Quattro engine but I've got the torsen system as only the TFSI engines have the on demand system for the A5 for some reason. I prefer the torsen system anyway like the idea of always on Quattro. I believe they market the on demand system as the quattro is on until it isn't needed, theres a youtube video of it in action.




anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 9th December 2017
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My B7 S4 has the torsen centre diff which splits the drive 50:50 front and back. The B7 RS4 has the same torsen setup but biased to the rear, I think 60:40.

The smaller Audis which have transverse engines have the haldex system and are front wheel drive until loss of traction connects and drives the rear wheels.

The more modern cars are variations on the above and these work in conjunction with the traction control system to direct power to the wheel with more grip by braking the spinning wheel(s).

RobM77

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35,349 posts

265 months

Saturday 9th December 2017
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AudiSport said:
RobM77 said:
Just a quick one that's proving tricky to pin down using Google: A friend of mine's just got a brand new Q5 2.0TDi Quattro and he reckons it's rear wheel drive until extra grip is needed, then power is sent to the front. I thought modern Quattro systems were the other way around? Can anyone confirm? I'm also generally just interested in how it works, and how it compares in the RS models. Thanks.
Alternatively, you could just be pleased for him and play dumb, even though you ‘now’ know better...

; )
Oh, I am most definitely pleased for him. It's not my sort of car, but it's just the sort of thing he likes and he's very pleased with it. I was just confused, as I always thought themed-engine R8 was the only rear-biased Quattro system.

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 9th December 2017
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Audi make it difficult to work out the quattro system, but this article advises.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/503284/2017-audi-q5-ge...

''The Audi Q5, however, uses a different version of the quattro system due to its MLB platform (MLB Evo for 2017 Q5) and longitudinal engine layout. The traditional torsen quattro system sends 60 percent of the drive to the rear axle, and 40 percent to the front making it a decidedly rear-biased system, under normal conditions.''

interesting sad fact for your friend is the MLBevo platform will be used by the Lambo SUV.

EC2

1,547 posts

284 months

Monday 11th December 2017
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dav_1991 said:
I'm sure the new Q5 comes with the new Quattro on demand version of the system, if you go onto the configurator both the 2.0 TFSI and 2.0 TDI engines show the "Rear differential with uncoupling feature" under the safety & technology tabs but the 3.0 Tiptronic doesn't as this new version of the quattro system only works with engines producing less than 500Nm of torque.

I've got the new A5 coupe with the 2.0 Quattro engine but I've got the torsen system as only the TFSI engines have the on demand system for the A5 for some reason. I prefer the torsen system anyway like the idea of always on Quattro. I believe they market the on demand system as the quattro is on until it isn't needed, theres a youtube video of it in action.



Agree with you about the torsen system best. I would deselect that box if I could do as they are ruining proper Quattro with this move. In extreme low grip situations like snow no torque transfer system is quick enough. They are now basically making proper Quattro as bad as bad as haldex.

Yertis

19,738 posts

297 months

Monday 11th December 2017
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IMO they started ruining quattros a long time ago when they stopped fitting locking diffs. I'm not too keen on the idea of using an autobox quattro in the snow either. I'd use my old '80s quattro in the snow for preference, if I wasn't so worried about someone sliding into it.