S4 vs 2.0 tfsi
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JuanCarlosFandango

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9,556 posts

94 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Hello,
Looking at A4s and S4s around about 2012 onwards it seems that the S4 is a lot more car for relatively little extra money. The cynic in me thought that this must reflect the fact that the S4 is a minefield of expensive parts and complicated repairs which will ruin me, but reading up on them they don't seem that bad. Or put another way the 2.0tfsi doesn't seem that good.

Am I missing something here? Are the clean, low mileage S4s now dipping under £15k actually dogs or are the 2.0 tfsi with similar mileage still fetching £12k plus actually a far more practical proposition?

TonyTony

1,882 posts

181 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Hello,
Looking at A4s and S4s around about 2012 onwards it seems that the S4 is a lot more car for relatively little extra money. The cynic in me thought that this must reflect the fact that the S4 is a minefield of expensive parts and complicated repairs which will ruin me, but reading up on them they don't seem that bad. Or put another way the 2.0tfsi doesn't seem that good.

Am I missing something here? Are the clean, low mileage S4s now dipping under £15k actually dogs or are the 2.0 tfsi with similar mileage still fetching £12k plus actually a far more practical proposition?
I guess it is the extra money for fixing it and running it, the 2.0tfsi is still plenty fast enough for the road.

I suppose its more enthusiasts that will gravitate to the S4 over a top range S-Line 2.0L as well, so maybe they aren't selling as well.

JuanCarlosFandango

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9,556 posts

94 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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That makes sense, but from what I'm reading (and I can't claim to be perfectly impartial!) the TFSI seems more trouble prone than the S4.

The DSG gearboxes might be a bit of a worry but don't seem especially weak, just expensive of they do go wrong.

p4cks

7,349 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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The 2.0 TFSI is from the Golf and it's good, but not great. They can easily be tuned to get some silly power but then again so can the S4 which will always be a nicer place to sit or to look at.

Dr G

15,822 posts

265 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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If you've got the option have the S4; they're not even that much worse on fuel than a quattro 2.0T (in the real world).

Read the B8 thread in here for all the detail and ownership stories (over many years) you could ever want. B8 S4s are bloody good cars.

JuanCarlosFandango

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9,556 posts

94 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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They are a lovely looking car and I've ruled out the 2.0 on the basis that I'd wish it was an S4 every time I saw it.

My hesitancy is being landed with huge bills for things like the gearbox which will go as these cars get older, though looking at the thread posted it seems total failure is quite rare.

Easternlight

3,817 posts

167 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Get the S4
I went from the 2.0 all be only FWD to an S4 and it was like night and day, bloody marvelous.
Ran it for 8 years with only servicing and a few little odds and sods, only thing that was painful was the high VED as it was a manual avant but this was offset by not having to worry about the box packing up. Plus I wanted manual anyway.

Still miss it every day.

JuanCarlosFandango

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9,556 posts

94 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Manual would be my preference too, but I didn't know about the VED situation. Probably irrationally I resent paying over £500 for road tax way more than £340 even though the extra isn't much in the scheme of things.

Did they drop the manual entirely after the face-lift or are there just very few around?

TonyTony

1,882 posts

181 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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If DSG is your concern it doesn't really cost more to deal with than a manual needing a new clutch anymore.

You can get your box fixed or refurbed or buy a refurbed box for around the same price of needing to replace your clutch and flywheel.

Searider

997 posts

278 months

Monday 28th June 2021
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Easternlight said:
Get the S4
I went from the 2.0 all be only FWD to an S4 and it was like night and day, bloody marvelous.
Ran it for 8 years with only servicing and a few little odds and sods, only thing that was painful was the high VED as it was a manual avant but this was offset by not having to worry about the box packing up. Plus I wanted manual anyway.

Still miss it every day.
I'm looking after it Paul. Should tick over 100k miles in the next few days.
Nothing has gone wrong and since the last service 6k miles ago it hasnt needed the oil topping up.

Great cars!

Searider

997 posts

278 months

Monday 28th June 2021
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Manual would be my preference too, but I didn't know about the VED situation. Probably irrationally I resent paying over £500 for road tax way more than £340 even though the extra isn't much in the scheme of things.

Did they drop the manual entirely after the face-lift or are there just very few around?
Just pay the VED monthly on a DD and you won't even notice the extra £15 per month or whatever it is!

JuanCarlosFandango

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9,556 posts

94 months

Tuesday 29th June 2021
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Searider said:
Just pay the VED monthly on a DD and you won't even notice the extra £15 per month or whatever it is!
I like your maths

Easternlight

3,817 posts

167 months

Friday 16th July 2021
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Searider said:
Easternlight said:
Get the S4
I went from the 2.0 all be only FWD to an S4 and it was like night and day, bloody marvelous.
Ran it for 8 years with only servicing and a few little odds and sods, only thing that was painful was the high VED as it was a manual avant but this was offset by not having to worry about the box packing up. Plus I wanted manual anyway.

Still miss it every day.
I'm looking after it Paul. Should tick over 100k miles in the next few days.
Nothing has gone wrong and since the last service 6k miles ago it hasnt needed the oil topping up.

Great cars!
Well done Duncan, still can't find anything to replace it. (Don't think I ever will)

Searider

997 posts

278 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Easternlight said:
Searider said:
Easternlight said:
Get the S4
I went from the 2.0 all be only FWD to an S4 and it was like night and day, bloody marvelous.
Ran it for 8 years with only servicing and a few little odds and sods, only thing that was painful was the high VED as it was a manual avant but this was offset by not having to worry about the box packing up. Plus I wanted manual anyway.

Still miss it every day.
I'm looking after it Paul. Should tick over 100k miles in the next few days.
Nothing has gone wrong and since the last service 6k miles ago it hasnt needed the oil topping up.

Great cars!
Well done Duncan, still can't find anything to replace it. (Don't think I ever will)
I could do with a bigger boot - so probably an S6 or A6 BiTdi next. Prices for S6 have gone crazy over the last 18 months so I think i'll be with the S4 for a good couple of years more.

aussieal

544 posts

184 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Interesting observation on the boot size, I'm about to move from a 15 plate passat estate to a B8 avant - and will lose a third of the boot space.

Planning on sticking a roof box on it for road trips and family holidays.

ninjag

1,878 posts

142 months

Monday 26th July 2021
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aussieal said:
Interesting observation on the boot size, I'm about to move from a 15 plate passat estate to a B8 avant - and will lose a third of the boot space.

Planning on sticking a roof box on it for road trips and family holidays.
I was a little worried about this as well as I was coming from an XF Sportbrake which has a pretty large boot. I was initially looking for an S6 but then an S4 came up at a good price and ticked lots of boxes (although the alleged main dealer FSH is borderline fraudulent as far as I'm concerned and Audi UK couldn't care less).

The S4 boot is a little shallower but you can still pack a lot in, plus a simple solution to cater for the wife's enthusiastic packing lol....