Hydratrak differential
Hydratrak differential
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zenkar

Original Poster:

68 posts

258 months

Wednesday 19th October 2005
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How can you know that you have the hydratrak differential option fitted on your car ?
Is it a real added value for the car ?

GreenV8S

30,996 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th October 2005
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If your LSD doesn't seem to be working, either it's fooked or you've got Hydratrak.

trackcar

6,453 posts

247 months

Thursday 20th October 2005
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GreenV8S said:
If your LSD doesn't seem to be working, either it's fooked or you've got Hydratrak.


quote of the day!

2 Smokin Barrels

31,610 posts

256 months

Thursday 20th October 2005
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Quinny said:
Not sure, but I don't think hydratrack was an option on Griffs and Chims.

Andy.


T'was

steve-v8s

2,924 posts

269 months

Thursday 20th October 2005
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Think you will find that the outer edge of the flange that one of the drive shaft fixings has two groves machined around it if it is Hydratrack and smooth if not. Was told that by a TVR mechanic, may or may not be true.

FlipFlopGriff

7,144 posts

268 months

Thursday 20th October 2005
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Hydratrak on ours.
FFG

chevtrev

785 posts

257 months

Friday 21st October 2005
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Hydratrack on my 98 Griff,std lsd on my Chim,all I can say is I ended up on the wrong side off the road more times in the Griff,although I was younger and dumber..

Wildfire

9,906 posts

273 months

Friday 21st October 2005
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Just out of interest, what is the difference between the Std and the hydratrak??

GreenV8S

30,996 posts

305 months

Friday 21st October 2005
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Internally, or to drive?

zenkar

Original Poster:

68 posts

258 months

Friday 21st October 2005
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GreenV8S said:
Internally, or to drive?


Both please...

GreenV8S

30,996 posts

305 months

Saturday 22nd October 2005
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A diff is just a device that allows the two driven wheels to rotate at different speeds. Most diffs are 'open' meaning there's nothing but friction preventing the wheels from moving relatlve to each other, and both wheels nominally see equal torque.

The problem with this is that the torque applied to both wheels is limited by the wheel with least grip. For example if one wheel is on ice there will be no traction from either wheel even if the other wheel is on something grippy. You get a similar effect accelerating out of corners where the inside wheel has a lot less weight on it.

The point of a limited slip diff is to restrict this relative movement between the wheels so that torque is transfered from the faster wheel to the slower one. If you imagine pulling away with one wheel on ice, an LSD would transfer torque from the spinning wheel to the gripping one so that you still get some traction.

There are a couple of common types of LSD. The most common one uses a multi plate friction clutch between the two sides. The amount of torque transmitted between the two sides depends on the clamping force on the clutch. The clutch is pre-loaded by a spring giving you a certain amount of transfer, and the diff is designed so that torque applied to the prop shaft increases this clamping load so the diff gets stiffer the more power you apply to it.

The second type uses a viscous coupling between the two sides. Viscous diffs transmit torque according to the speed difference between the two sides. They act like an open diff when the two wheels are moving at similar speeds, but if either wheel starts to spin up the viscous coupling will gradually transfer torque to the other wheel. The key point is that no torque transfer takes place unless there is a significant speed difference between the two sides.

From the driver's point of view these two types behave very differently. Any time you drive round a corner, the inside wheel tried to go slower than the outer wheel. With a friction diff, the friction clutch fights against this and puts extra torque onto the inside wheel. This means that the inside wheel starts to slide relatively early. But because it is connected to the outside wheel, it can't slide by much. This results in a car which breaks away early but very progressively as you approach the limit of grip, and it always produces similar levels of wheel spin on both wheels which means you get similar slip angles and similar levels of grip.

Taking a viscous diff round a tight corner, the diff lets the inside wheel slow down without putting extra torque on it, so that wheel doesn't start to slide as early. When it does slide, the diff will not transfer any torque away from it until there is a lot of slip so you get a big imbalance between the wheels: the outer wheel is mostly pushing sideways and the inner wheel is mostly pushing forwards. Because the inside wheel has a lot of slip it also has less total grip as well less lateral grip. This results in a car which breaks away relatively late, but when it breaks away you suddenly let a lot less lateral grip and a lot less acceleration, together with lots of smoke from the inside wheel. From a driver's point of view this is great if you only drive it gently, but absolute pants if you ever approach the limit of grip. It's like a cross between a 'proper' friction LSD and a plain open diff.

Perhaps in the right circumstances viscous diffs have their advantages. But my experience is that they are a lot worse to drive than a friction LSD, and I would take £1000 off the value of a car with one fitted. That's roughly what it would cost to chuck that pos in the bin and fit a proper diff.

Wildfire

9,906 posts

273 months

Saturday 22nd October 2005
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Ah, now I understand . Thanks V8. Stupid question, but I take it the Hydratrak is the viscous coupleing type??

zenkar

Original Poster:

68 posts

258 months

Saturday 22nd October 2005
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Thanks a lot GreenV8S
Crystal clear answer !

GreenV8S

30,996 posts

305 months

Saturday 22nd October 2005
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Wildfire said:
I take it the Hydratrak is the viscous coupleing type??


IPAddis

2,494 posts

305 months

Monday 24th October 2005
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Out of interest, weren't Cerberas fitted with Hydratrak as standard? Just curious that you don't hear that being mentioned as a down side.

Ian A.

drak ula

455 posts

195 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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thanks for the explanation green v8s, do you happen to know if all chimareas had one or other type of lsd or did any come with an open diff as standard as with the early wedge v8s?

blueg33

44,021 posts

245 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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My Tuscan had hydratrack, it could be a bit “sudden”.

The Evora has electronic lsd the Ginetta has the normal type.

I actually prefer the electronic version, but that’s not an option on a Griff or Chim