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Hi all, I'm after some advice!
After a lot of test drives I've settled on a new Alfa giulia.
I had parted with cash for a pre reg veloce which I can buy outright, but after a missed delivery, shoddy communication and now a battery issue requiring a trip back into the workshop more delays and mileage on what was essentially new car I'm about to reject the car and claim my money back under distance selling act.
Now my local dealer (different company) have been trying to find a replacement, so far they've been really good. They have a QV sat in stock that I didn't think I would be able to afford and mentioned in passing I'd love. It's pretty much my ideal spec. They've come back with a vey healthy discount on list (nearly 20pc due to being able to access affinity) and a good PCP rate -I can get a QV for about £360 a month.
Now to my concerns, I'll be road parking the car all be it on a quiet street, I do about 60miles of fast commute 4 days a week, insurance costs, stock tyres in the winter/cost of more alloys and tyres and obviously increased fuel costs.
Can any of you give me any insight into comparative running costs for QV Vs Veloce and if the difference is worth it.
After a lot of test drives I've settled on a new Alfa giulia.
I had parted with cash for a pre reg veloce which I can buy outright, but after a missed delivery, shoddy communication and now a battery issue requiring a trip back into the workshop more delays and mileage on what was essentially new car I'm about to reject the car and claim my money back under distance selling act.
Now my local dealer (different company) have been trying to find a replacement, so far they've been really good. They have a QV sat in stock that I didn't think I would be able to afford and mentioned in passing I'd love. It's pretty much my ideal spec. They've come back with a vey healthy discount on list (nearly 20pc due to being able to access affinity) and a good PCP rate -I can get a QV for about £360 a month.
Now to my concerns, I'll be road parking the car all be it on a quiet street, I do about 60miles of fast commute 4 days a week, insurance costs, stock tyres in the winter/cost of more alloys and tyres and obviously increased fuel costs.
Can any of you give me any insight into comparative running costs for QV Vs Veloce and if the difference is worth it.
What would you think when you’re in your Veloce and someone drives past in their QV..is it:
a) blimey bet that’s costing them loads to run, never fancied the 500 bhp super saloon which drives as good as if not better than anything else on the road for the money, I don’t think I could handle having to smile so much when in a car.
Or
b) bugger, should have got one when I had the chance.
a) blimey bet that’s costing them loads to run, never fancied the 500 bhp super saloon which drives as good as if not better than anything else on the road for the money, I don’t think I could handle having to smile so much when in a car.
Or
b) bugger, should have got one when I had the chance.
I'd be putting my current car in as the deposit, about 19k, there is a big chunk of support from the affinity scheme (I think because my20 is coming) apr on the rest is less than the best bank loan I can find...
The car is now reserved and I have until next week to confirm.
In reality I think it will be about 150 a month more than a veloce mainly due to depreciation.
The car is now reserved and I have until next week to confirm.
In reality I think it will be about 150 a month more than a veloce mainly due to depreciation.
Edited by Althalus on Thursday 6th August 18:46
I have a veloce which I love, it’s the better real world choice imo, but I’d still get the QV if I’d been offered the right deal.
Running costs will be a fair bit higher but only you can decide if that’s worth it.
I’m averaging about 33mpg real world, QV will be 20? I’m guessing. Not that big a difference.
Tyres will be the biggest increase but again, depends how you drive.
I say go for it!
Running costs will be a fair bit higher but only you can decide if that’s worth it.
I’m averaging about 33mpg real world, QV will be 20? I’m guessing. Not that big a difference.
Tyres will be the biggest increase but again, depends how you drive.
I say go for it!
I loved the veloce that I test drove, I didn't really feel it was lacking for the road, I've also only had one car faster that that.
I just never expected the kind of discount or PCP I've been offered. I can afford the car, I'm just worried as I've never brought a vehicle worth this kind of money before!
I'm sort of looking at it and thinking I don't know how much longer these sorts of cars will be made and right now I do have the cash and don't have kids, in a few years time I may not be able to do this.
I like the duality of the car. My understanding is driven gently the Veloce and QV are fairly similar mpg wise. I'd change the tyres on the QV either to winters or Michelin's/Goodyears which seem to be the choice options for road use and last much better.
I just never expected the kind of discount or PCP I've been offered. I can afford the car, I'm just worried as I've never brought a vehicle worth this kind of money before!
I'm sort of looking at it and thinking I don't know how much longer these sorts of cars will be made and right now I do have the cash and don't have kids, in a few years time I may not be able to do this.
I like the duality of the car. My understanding is driven gently the Veloce and QV are fairly similar mpg wise. I'd change the tyres on the QV either to winters or Michelin's/Goodyears which seem to be the choice options for road use and last much better.
Edited by Althalus on Thursday 6th August 20:46
Been thinking about this as well as the QF is epic and starting to become a realistic option. However my head says Veloce with a 300 mile weekly commute. I was rather hoping that they would prices would start with a 1 now, but the stubbornly seem to be still in the low £20k currently. That is another topic.
However a very nice dark blue and tan Veloce appeared at Research Garage AR for £22k. So I gave them a call but it was already reserved. So a non-buying / selling chat followed with a very pleasant sales guy. His observation was that firstly the Giulia is 10 times the car of the Guiletta, which is good as I can now scrub that from my list. (It was a sort of interim plan until Giulia prices soften), Secondly he though that waiting until the autumn would see a reasonable fall in S/H prices as the new registrations come out and stalled orders from the now reopening factory are fulfilled, owners are holding onto cars as their new one hasn't been supplies and more will be coming off 3 and 4 year contract plans from the 2016 introduction. However his final thought was not the cost of fuel. tyres etc but the significantly more frequent and service intervals of the QF, which would make it a fair bit more expensive as a DD.
There is a little that can be done to quicken a Veloce currently to narrow the gap, although it will newer have the presence of the QF Celtic Tuning suggest that they can get it to 324bhp and 349lb/ft. So that may be the route for me.
However a very nice dark blue and tan Veloce appeared at Research Garage AR for £22k. So I gave them a call but it was already reserved. So a non-buying / selling chat followed with a very pleasant sales guy. His observation was that firstly the Giulia is 10 times the car of the Guiletta, which is good as I can now scrub that from my list. (It was a sort of interim plan until Giulia prices soften), Secondly he though that waiting until the autumn would see a reasonable fall in S/H prices as the new registrations come out and stalled orders from the now reopening factory are fulfilled, owners are holding onto cars as their new one hasn't been supplies and more will be coming off 3 and 4 year contract plans from the 2016 introduction. However his final thought was not the cost of fuel. tyres etc but the significantly more frequent and service intervals of the QF, which would make it a fair bit more expensive as a DD.
There is a little that can be done to quicken a Veloce currently to narrow the gap, although it will newer have the presence of the QF Celtic Tuning suggest that they can get it to 324bhp and 349lb/ft. So that may be the route for me.
r159 said:
What would you think when you’re in your Veloce and someone drives past in their QV..is it:
a) blimey bet that’s costing them loads to run, never fancied the 500 bhp super saloon which drives as good as if not better than anything else on the road for the money, I don’t think I could handle having to smile so much when in a car.
Or
b) bugger, should have got one when I had the chance.
Indeed this..a) blimey bet that’s costing them loads to run, never fancied the 500 bhp super saloon which drives as good as if not better than anything else on the road for the money, I don’t think I could handle having to smile so much when in a car.
Or
b) bugger, should have got one when I had the chance.
ric p said:
Been thinking about this as well as the QF is epic and starting to become a realistic option. However my head says Veloce with a 300 mile weekly commute. I was rather hoping that they would prices would start with a 1 now, but the stubbornly seem to be still in the low £20k currently. That is another topic.
However a very nice dark blue and tan Veloce appeared at Research Garage AR for £22k. So I gave them a call but it was already reserved. So a non-buying / selling chat followed with a very pleasant sales guy. His observation was that firstly the Giulia is 10 times the car of the Guiletta, which is good as I can now scrub that from my list. (It was a sort of interim plan until Giulia prices soften), Secondly he though that waiting until the autumn would see a reasonable fall in S/H prices as the new registrations come out and stalled orders from the now reopening factory are fulfilled, owners are holding onto cars as their new one hasn't been supplies and more will be coming off 3 and 4 year contract plans from the 2016 introduction. However his final thought was not the cost of fuel. tyres etc but the significantly more frequent and service intervals of the QF, which would make it a fair bit more expensive as a DD.
There is a little that can be done to quicken a Veloce currently to narrow the gap, although it will newer have the presence of the QF Celtic Tuning suggest that they can get it to 324bhp and 349lb/ft. So that may be the route for me.
I’m heading to Research in 5 hrs to get my Giulia However a very nice dark blue and tan Veloce appeared at Research Garage AR for £22k. So I gave them a call but it was already reserved. So a non-buying / selling chat followed with a very pleasant sales guy. His observation was that firstly the Giulia is 10 times the car of the Guiletta, which is good as I can now scrub that from my list. (It was a sort of interim plan until Giulia prices soften), Secondly he though that waiting until the autumn would see a reasonable fall in S/H prices as the new registrations come out and stalled orders from the now reopening factory are fulfilled, owners are holding onto cars as their new one hasn't been supplies and more will be coming off 3 and 4 year contract plans from the 2016 introduction. However his final thought was not the cost of fuel. tyres etc but the significantly more frequent and service intervals of the QF, which would make it a fair bit more expensive as a DD.
There is a little that can be done to quicken a Veloce currently to narrow the gap, although it will newer have the presence of the QF Celtic Tuning suggest that they can get it to 324bhp and 349lb/ft. So that may be the route for me.
Even having to endure an hour on the train to get there isn’t dampening my spirits. Have some suitable easy listening ...Altern-8 Full On.. Mask HysteriaEdited by r159 on Friday 7th August 11:28
r159 said:
ric p said:
Been thinking about this as well as the QF is epic and starting to become a realistic option. However my head says Veloce with a 300 mile weekly commute. I was rather hoping that they would prices would start with a 1 now, but the stubbornly seem to be still in the low £20k currently. That is another topic.
However a very nice dark blue and tan Veloce appeared at Research Garage AR for £22k. So I gave them a call but it was already reserved. So a non-buying / selling chat followed with a very pleasant sales guy. His observation was that firstly the Giulia is 10 times the car of the Guiletta, which is good as I can now scrub that from my list. (It was a sort of interim plan until Giulia prices soften), Secondly he though that waiting until the autumn would see a reasonable fall in S/H prices as the new registrations come out and stalled orders from the now reopening factory are fulfilled, owners are holding onto cars as their new one hasn't been supplies and more will be coming off 3 and 4 year contract plans from the 2016 introduction. However his final thought was not the cost of fuel. tyres etc but the significantly more frequent and service intervals of the QF, which would make it a fair bit more expensive as a DD.
There is a little that can be done to quicken a Veloce currently to narrow the gap, although it will newer have the presence of the QF Celtic Tuning suggest that they can get it to 324bhp and 349lb/ft. So that may be the route for me.
I’m heading to Research in 5 hrs to get my Giulia However a very nice dark blue and tan Veloce appeared at Research Garage AR for £22k. So I gave them a call but it was already reserved. So a non-buying / selling chat followed with a very pleasant sales guy. His observation was that firstly the Giulia is 10 times the car of the Guiletta, which is good as I can now scrub that from my list. (It was a sort of interim plan until Giulia prices soften), Secondly he though that waiting until the autumn would see a reasonable fall in S/H prices as the new registrations come out and stalled orders from the now reopening factory are fulfilled, owners are holding onto cars as their new one hasn't been supplies and more will be coming off 3 and 4 year contract plans from the 2016 introduction. However his final thought was not the cost of fuel. tyres etc but the significantly more frequent and service intervals of the QF, which would make it a fair bit more expensive as a DD.
There is a little that can be done to quicken a Veloce currently to narrow the gap, although it will newer have the presence of the QF Celtic Tuning suggest that they can get it to 324bhp and 349lb/ft. So that may be the route for me.
Even having to endure an hour on the train to get there isn’t dampening my spirits. Have some suitable easy listening ...Altern-8 Full On.. Mask HysteriaEdited by r159 on Friday 7th August 11:28
Althalus said:
Excellent! Let us know how you get on!
Very, very, happy glad to be back in an Alfa!It was even given an unveiling in the showroom, really nice touch seeing as it’s not a new car.
First impression is the handling is excellent and the engine is smoother than the 2.4 in my old 159 (it’s a Speciale). The response of the auto box and a lot less weight seems to take up the slack...the 2.4 was over 240bhp and 420 ft/lb after some twiddling.
You're right to take time on a decision like this, I'm a touch spontaneous (checking M3s for months, test drive QF and bought it the next day...no regrets at all bar the servicing dealer Beachdale Derby, vendor great Motorpoint would you believe). Horses for course but in a world where getting proportions right while adhering to legislation, retaining characterful engines and leftfield choice, I'd have been on that by return email. Congrats and enjoy.
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