Talk to me about (916) GTV V6s
Discussion
For the first time in over a decade I have some space in the garage and some money in the bank. There are a couple of automotive 'itches' that I've been meaning to scratch for a long time - one of which is a GTV V6. If I went down that route, it would be a second car living indoors and doing a fairly low mileage, but I'd still be in search of something that I could use semi-regularly rather than setting it aside as a collector's item.
I'm keen to hear people's thoughts on the different models and upgrades that are around. For instance, how does the 6-speed gearbox compare to the 5-speed? Do they all have air con? When it comes to common mods (diff, exhaust, shocks, flywheel) are there any to avoid?
I'm keeping an eye on the usual places - Pistonheads, Car & Classic, Autotrader and the AROC sales page on Facebook. Is there anywhere else to look?
Finally, if anyone reading this happens to be in the South Somerset/East Devon kind of area and fancies showing me around their GTV to get an idea of what to expect, I'd be really grateful. Not so much as seen one up close in ages.
I'm keen to hear people's thoughts on the different models and upgrades that are around. For instance, how does the 6-speed gearbox compare to the 5-speed? Do they all have air con? When it comes to common mods (diff, exhaust, shocks, flywheel) are there any to avoid?
I'm keeping an eye on the usual places - Pistonheads, Car & Classic, Autotrader and the AROC sales page on Facebook. Is there anywhere else to look?
Finally, if anyone reading this happens to be in the South Somerset/East Devon kind of area and fancies showing me around their GTV to get an idea of what to expect, I'd be really grateful. Not so much as seen one up close in ages.
excellent choice sir.
the Busso is a robust unit with no real maladies (apart from getting a little rattly around the bottom - is ok, they all do it) so it's more about the stuff that alfa bolted on around the engine. belts provenance and oil cooler would be the things to check first.
suggestions that the 6 speed is a bit marginal not really been my experience, the diff has been problematic for some but i've not had one make a bid for freedom via the casing. Q2 diff a nice addition and noticeable in daily use. The 6 speed is not the same as the one in the 156 or 166 of similar vintage so a noisy box (input shaft bearing usually ?) can't be fixed by swapping the other version in.
some parts getting hard to find but perseverance always pays off. took me over a month to find a brake compensator valve but got there in the end (from latvia of all places).
they don't really rust apart from the rear spring pans but refurbished units all over the internet. front lower arms are to be considered service items - decades of running 916's of any persuasion means i just use pattern parts and replace relatively frequently (others will swear by genuine but i didnt really find a difference in longevity). other suspension stuff is manageable (noted some neglected cars beginning to present with rear subframe issues) and i've found modified cars to be hopeless in the suspension department and converted back to standard spec.
although the body doesn't rust don't be lulled into thinking that nothing rusts. bonnet hinges as a case in point. they can get a bit corroded and stiff and do suddenly pull out of their housing. this will leave you trying to hold onto a composite clam shell top half doing its best impression of a sail. it may be composite but its heavy.
none of my 916's have ever had electrical faults despite what the received wisdom about italian electrics may suggest. the meta alarm can go a bit squiffy but can be either unplugged (immobiliser will still be active) or refurbed. however, the exception that denies the rule is "beach ball boy" - any attempt to do anything at all with the seats without removing the battery and dropping the keys off in the next county will result in his appearing, i miss him when he's not there. speaking of keys - make sure you get them all as its very confusing trying to work out what works and what doesnt work if you don't have the master.
trim is holding up well, even the cloth seems to last. check doorcards for the typical "closing the door on the belt buckle" holes. many small bits will fall off but they can usually be forced back into place. Red with tan leather my favourite combo but had a couple of black with red which was also nice. The special trim levels ("red line" and "blue line") dont seem to be commanding higher prices and the red dash that some had just looks a bit over the top. floppy door pull is a slipped bowden cable. what can be a massive pita though is window alignment - the manual lists approx twenty-twelve separate measurements to get it right.
driving position is fine for me but i'm quite small. others moan about offset pedals and the like but never a problem for me. what is a problem though are the sun-visors. fold them down and your forward vision is akin to a comedy "peeping through a letterbox" sketch.
rear seats are rubbish. tiny people will fit but they will moan if you're going further than the end of the road. boot is vestigial and usually full of space saver (although some later cars got a tyre pump and foamy stuff) and CD changer.
wipers tend to lift off the screen at higher speeds - no real fix for this, Rain-X helps. the wipers were never really properly converted to RHD. this results in some weird non-seating issues at times. they do a kind of half wipe after switching off which may mean they stop in the 12 o clock position - flick wipe reseats them.
this is just quick top of head stuff - they are great little cars and the V6 is genuinely (sort of) fast even today, strongly recommended !!
the Busso is a robust unit with no real maladies (apart from getting a little rattly around the bottom - is ok, they all do it) so it's more about the stuff that alfa bolted on around the engine. belts provenance and oil cooler would be the things to check first.
suggestions that the 6 speed is a bit marginal not really been my experience, the diff has been problematic for some but i've not had one make a bid for freedom via the casing. Q2 diff a nice addition and noticeable in daily use. The 6 speed is not the same as the one in the 156 or 166 of similar vintage so a noisy box (input shaft bearing usually ?) can't be fixed by swapping the other version in.
some parts getting hard to find but perseverance always pays off. took me over a month to find a brake compensator valve but got there in the end (from latvia of all places).
they don't really rust apart from the rear spring pans but refurbished units all over the internet. front lower arms are to be considered service items - decades of running 916's of any persuasion means i just use pattern parts and replace relatively frequently (others will swear by genuine but i didnt really find a difference in longevity). other suspension stuff is manageable (noted some neglected cars beginning to present with rear subframe issues) and i've found modified cars to be hopeless in the suspension department and converted back to standard spec.
although the body doesn't rust don't be lulled into thinking that nothing rusts. bonnet hinges as a case in point. they can get a bit corroded and stiff and do suddenly pull out of their housing. this will leave you trying to hold onto a composite clam shell top half doing its best impression of a sail. it may be composite but its heavy.
none of my 916's have ever had electrical faults despite what the received wisdom about italian electrics may suggest. the meta alarm can go a bit squiffy but can be either unplugged (immobiliser will still be active) or refurbed. however, the exception that denies the rule is "beach ball boy" - any attempt to do anything at all with the seats without removing the battery and dropping the keys off in the next county will result in his appearing, i miss him when he's not there. speaking of keys - make sure you get them all as its very confusing trying to work out what works and what doesnt work if you don't have the master.
trim is holding up well, even the cloth seems to last. check doorcards for the typical "closing the door on the belt buckle" holes. many small bits will fall off but they can usually be forced back into place. Red with tan leather my favourite combo but had a couple of black with red which was also nice. The special trim levels ("red line" and "blue line") dont seem to be commanding higher prices and the red dash that some had just looks a bit over the top. floppy door pull is a slipped bowden cable. what can be a massive pita though is window alignment - the manual lists approx twenty-twelve separate measurements to get it right.
driving position is fine for me but i'm quite small. others moan about offset pedals and the like but never a problem for me. what is a problem though are the sun-visors. fold them down and your forward vision is akin to a comedy "peeping through a letterbox" sketch.
rear seats are rubbish. tiny people will fit but they will moan if you're going further than the end of the road. boot is vestigial and usually full of space saver (although some later cars got a tyre pump and foamy stuff) and CD changer.
wipers tend to lift off the screen at higher speeds - no real fix for this, Rain-X helps. the wipers were never really properly converted to RHD. this results in some weird non-seating issues at times. they do a kind of half wipe after switching off which may mean they stop in the 12 o clock position - flick wipe reseats them.
this is just quick top of head stuff - they are great little cars and the V6 is genuinely (sort of) fast even today, strongly recommended !!
Edited by paulmakin on Monday 26th July 01:03
paulmakin said:
excellent choice sir.
the Busso is a robust unit with no real maladies (apart from getting a little rattly around the bottom - is ok, they all do it) so it's more about the stuff that alfa bolted on around the engine. belts provenance and oil cooler would be the things to check first.
suggestions that the 6 speed is a bit marginal not really been my experience, the diff has been problematic for some but i've not had one make a bid for freedom via the casing. Q2 diff a nice addition and noticeable in daily use. The 6 speed is not the same as the one in the 156 or 166 of similar vintage so a noisy box (input shaft bearing usually ?) can't be fixed by swapping the other version in.
some parts getting hard to find but perseverance always pays off. took me over a month to find a brake compensator valve but got there in the end (from latvia of all places).
they don't really rust apart from the rear spring pans but refurbished units all over the internet. front lower arms are to be considered service items - decades of running 916's of any persuasion means i just use pattern parts and replace relatively frequently (others will swear by genuine but i didnt really find a difference in longevity). other suspension stuff is manageable (noted some neglected cars beginning to present with rear subframe issues) and i've found modified cars to be hopeless in the suspension department and converted back to standard spec.
although the body doesn't rust don't be lulled into thinking that nothing rusts. bonnet hinges as a case in point. they can get a bit corroded and stiff and do suddenly pull out of their housing. this will leave you trying to hold onto a composite clam shell top half doing its best impression of a sail. it may be composite but its heavy.
none of my 916's have ever had electrical faults despite what the received wisdom about italian electrics may suggest. the meta alarm can go a bit squiffy but can be either unplugged (immobiliser will still be active) or refurbed. however, the exception that denies the rule is "beach ball boy" - any attempt to do anything at all with the seats without removing the battery and dropping the keys off in the next county will result in his appearing, i miss him when he's not there. speaking of keys - make sure you get them all as its very confusing trying to work out what works and what doesnt work if you don't have the master.
trim is holding up well, even the cloth seems to last. check doorcards for the typical "closing the door on the belt buckle" holes. many small bits will fall off but they can usually be forced back into place. Red with tan leather my favourite combo but had a couple of black with red which was also nice. The special trim levels ("red line" and "blue line") dont seem to be commanding higher prices and the red dash that some had just looks a bit over the top. floppy door pull is a slipped bowden cable. what can be a massive pita though is window alignment - the manual lists approx twenty-twelve separate measurements to get it right.
driving position is fine for me but i'm quite small. others moan about offset pedals and the like but never a problem for me. what is a problem though are the sun-visors. fold them down and your forward vision is akin to a comedy "peeping through a letterbox" sketch.
rear seats are rubbish. tiny people will fit but they will moan if you're going further than the end of the road. boot is vestigial and usually full of space saver (although some later cars got a tyre pump and foamy stuff) and CD changer.
wipers tend to lift off the screen at higher speeds - no real fix for this, Rain-X helps. the wipers were never really properly converted to RHD. this results in some weird non-seating issues at times. they do a kind of half wipe after switching off which may mean they stop in the 12 o clock position - flick wipe reseats them.
this is just quick top of head stuff - they are great little cars and the V6 is genuinely (sort of) fast even today, strongly recommended !!
Agree with most of this. Other than the rust. These are perfectly capable of terminal rust, even if they look fine outside. the Busso is a robust unit with no real maladies (apart from getting a little rattly around the bottom - is ok, they all do it) so it's more about the stuff that alfa bolted on around the engine. belts provenance and oil cooler would be the things to check first.
suggestions that the 6 speed is a bit marginal not really been my experience, the diff has been problematic for some but i've not had one make a bid for freedom via the casing. Q2 diff a nice addition and noticeable in daily use. The 6 speed is not the same as the one in the 156 or 166 of similar vintage so a noisy box (input shaft bearing usually ?) can't be fixed by swapping the other version in.
some parts getting hard to find but perseverance always pays off. took me over a month to find a brake compensator valve but got there in the end (from latvia of all places).
they don't really rust apart from the rear spring pans but refurbished units all over the internet. front lower arms are to be considered service items - decades of running 916's of any persuasion means i just use pattern parts and replace relatively frequently (others will swear by genuine but i didnt really find a difference in longevity). other suspension stuff is manageable (noted some neglected cars beginning to present with rear subframe issues) and i've found modified cars to be hopeless in the suspension department and converted back to standard spec.
although the body doesn't rust don't be lulled into thinking that nothing rusts. bonnet hinges as a case in point. they can get a bit corroded and stiff and do suddenly pull out of their housing. this will leave you trying to hold onto a composite clam shell top half doing its best impression of a sail. it may be composite but its heavy.
none of my 916's have ever had electrical faults despite what the received wisdom about italian electrics may suggest. the meta alarm can go a bit squiffy but can be either unplugged (immobiliser will still be active) or refurbed. however, the exception that denies the rule is "beach ball boy" - any attempt to do anything at all with the seats without removing the battery and dropping the keys off in the next county will result in his appearing, i miss him when he's not there. speaking of keys - make sure you get them all as its very confusing trying to work out what works and what doesnt work if you don't have the master.
trim is holding up well, even the cloth seems to last. check doorcards for the typical "closing the door on the belt buckle" holes. many small bits will fall off but they can usually be forced back into place. Red with tan leather my favourite combo but had a couple of black with red which was also nice. The special trim levels ("red line" and "blue line") dont seem to be commanding higher prices and the red dash that some had just looks a bit over the top. floppy door pull is a slipped bowden cable. what can be a massive pita though is window alignment - the manual lists approx twenty-twelve separate measurements to get it right.
driving position is fine for me but i'm quite small. others moan about offset pedals and the like but never a problem for me. what is a problem though are the sun-visors. fold them down and your forward vision is akin to a comedy "peeping through a letterbox" sketch.
rear seats are rubbish. tiny people will fit but they will moan if you're going further than the end of the road. boot is vestigial and usually full of space saver (although some later cars got a tyre pump and foamy stuff) and CD changer.
wipers tend to lift off the screen at higher speeds - no real fix for this, Rain-X helps. the wipers were never really properly converted to RHD. this results in some weird non-seating issues at times. they do a kind of half wipe after switching off which may mean they stop in the 12 o clock position - flick wipe reseats them.
this is just quick top of head stuff - they are great little cars and the V6 is genuinely (sort of) fast even today, strongly recommended !!
Edited by paulmakin on Monday 26th July 01:03
The weakest point is the bottom of the sill where the floor, sill centre and outer come together. Any damage here, and you have extensive rust, that is invisible unless you get the car up in the air. It is not uncommon to see fist sized holes in the sills and floorpan on "project cars". They also go in the inner front wheel arches which can be pretty bad. Oh and the boot floor is another spot.
Basically read the MOT history - any mention of corrosion, get interested.
Other than that, they are indeed great little cars.
- If you're over 6', remove the driver's sunblind - it does wonders for the visibility.
- Per above - this is one car where suspension mods are generally a bad idea. One of mine had been lowered and was on 19" rims, and was almost undriveable as a result. The only mods I'd really recommend are Koni sports and the Alfaholics ARB kit.
They are deceptively fast. This is very much a car where you punt it onto a motorway and wonder why everyone is dawdling, before you look down and realise you are well over 100.
yep, all much of a muchness. The Cups had suspension, trim and bodywork differences - some cars (any model) have gained some of the bodykit over the years (always available as a factory fit option).
Some trim differences, eg Lusso, but nothing worth seeking out i'd venture. Electric and heated seats were options and never standard. Iridescent paint was an option for Lusso cars and some are prepared to pay a bit more for it. Phase 2 got a restyled interior with some minor changes to switch layout and a (quite cheap looking) silver console and trim. momo seats are a nice addition on Lusso (option) and Red/blue Lines (standard). For Phase 3, it was fiddled with again but never had one so not sure of the changes.
Wheel/tyre combinations differed across the years, the 17" teledials were standard on Cups but (i think) remained optional on all others. 16" teardrops were the factory fitment on Phase 1 and 2 cars.
I think that the only "editions" for the UK were the Red Line and the Blue Line. I have a Blue Line but by chance more than having looked for one. Overseas markets got more.
Mechanically it's much the same. different cat set ups throughout the years and retro fitting the early downpipes is generally touted as "a good thing". later cars were enlarged to 3.2 litres.
Some trim differences, eg Lusso, but nothing worth seeking out i'd venture. Electric and heated seats were options and never standard. Iridescent paint was an option for Lusso cars and some are prepared to pay a bit more for it. Phase 2 got a restyled interior with some minor changes to switch layout and a (quite cheap looking) silver console and trim. momo seats are a nice addition on Lusso (option) and Red/blue Lines (standard). For Phase 3, it was fiddled with again but never had one so not sure of the changes.
Wheel/tyre combinations differed across the years, the 17" teledials were standard on Cups but (i think) remained optional on all others. 16" teardrops were the factory fitment on Phase 1 and 2 cars.
I think that the only "editions" for the UK were the Red Line and the Blue Line. I have a Blue Line but by chance more than having looked for one. Overseas markets got more.
Mechanically it's much the same. different cat set ups throughout the years and retro fitting the early downpipes is generally touted as "a good thing". later cars were enlarged to 3.2 litres.
Great cars and not expensive to own considering the age and power.
Got a facelift in 1998 (phase 2) and then again in 2003 (phase3). (or 1.5 and 2 depending on who you ask)
The phase 2 got the silver look dash, 6speed box, colour coded sills, bumper lip and mirrors so look nicer. (subject to opinion).
The later update enlarged the v6 from 3.0 to a 3.2, manifold changes and a new grill. Whilst looking newer this engine configuration needs extra care/cost to maintain.
In 1998 the Lusso came with climate control although often hear the a/c doesn't work due to pipe or condenser leaks. Blowers are powerful so can still clear the windscreen and keep the car toasty in the winter without a/c.
Q2 diff not standard but often an aftermarket is fitted as improves handling and reducing risk of a gearbox failure.
Often the rear suspension is polybushed as lasts longer than the rubber rose bushes, stiffens the rear and fine. Purest would stick with rubber.
Third party (mocal) oil coolers are a good substitute as original are probably knackered by now and bonded to the pipe work.
alfaowner.com is a good source of info and has a classifieds section. You can post a wanted ad too.
V6 is fine for daily use if you can afford the fuel, covered 90k daily commuting in mine. If anything the Gtv likes being used, feels betters after using the rev range (once warm).
Got a facelift in 1998 (phase 2) and then again in 2003 (phase3). (or 1.5 and 2 depending on who you ask)
The phase 2 got the silver look dash, 6speed box, colour coded sills, bumper lip and mirrors so look nicer. (subject to opinion).
The later update enlarged the v6 from 3.0 to a 3.2, manifold changes and a new grill. Whilst looking newer this engine configuration needs extra care/cost to maintain.
In 1998 the Lusso came with climate control although often hear the a/c doesn't work due to pipe or condenser leaks. Blowers are powerful so can still clear the windscreen and keep the car toasty in the winter without a/c.
Q2 diff not standard but often an aftermarket is fitted as improves handling and reducing risk of a gearbox failure.
Often the rear suspension is polybushed as lasts longer than the rubber rose bushes, stiffens the rear and fine. Purest would stick with rubber.
Third party (mocal) oil coolers are a good substitute as original are probably knackered by now and bonded to the pipe work.
alfaowner.com is a good source of info and has a classifieds section. You can post a wanted ad too.
V6 is fine for daily use if you can afford the fuel, covered 90k daily commuting in mine. If anything the Gtv likes being used, feels betters after using the rev range (once warm).
slightly lowered but thinking about it not sure if that was just the original cars used in the track events.
didnt know that they could rot that badly though - i've had some really shonky examples over the years but corrosion never featured, must be more circumspect.
not all Phase 2 cars are 6 speed - mine's 5 speed and pretty sure one of my others was also. have i read somewhere that it was optional from 98 and standard from 2000?
didnt know that they could rot that badly though - i've had some really shonky examples over the years but corrosion never featured, must be more circumspect.
not all Phase 2 cars are 6 speed - mine's 5 speed and pretty sure one of my others was also. have i read somewhere that it was optional from 98 and standard from 2000?
Edited by paulmakin on Tuesday 27th July 09:26
paulmakin said:
slightly lowered but thinking about it not sure if that was just the original cars used in the track events.
didnt know that they could rot that badly though - i've had some really shonky examples over the years but corrosion never featured, must be more circumspect.
didnt know that they could rot that badly though - i've had some really shonky examples over the years but corrosion never featured, must be more circumspect.
Edited by paulmakin on Tuesday 27th July 09:26
This is the back end of the sill on one of mine, and that is the good end, the front is much worse....
Front wheel arch ....
Edited by rxe on Tuesday 27th July 17:10
I've owned a 3.2 for 10 years now.
Busso engine and gear box are pretty robust.
It's surprisingly fast, even by todays standards and sounds like a race car.
CF3 engines with the Pre-cats can cause heat damage to the ECU's. Replacements are hard to find. Removing the precats solves this and also gives you some extra power.
Standard brakes are crap but upgraded callipers and/or pads help.
Head gaskets over 100k may start to fail but usually with plenty of warning.
Diffs on the 3.2's had alarming failure rates. Q2 eliminates this issue whilst significantly improving handling and most v6's for sale these days seem to have this upgrade.
Suspension is good but not robust. Loads of opinions on the best set up but in general, keeping it standard seems to be the best solution for crappy British roads.
They are all getting to an age now where rust will often be an issue. Sills underneath the plastic side mouldings first place to look.
Oil coolers will leak. Aftermarket upgrades available.
Timing belt will be 4 years max and is 400 to 600.
Electrics and windows will play up but easy to diagnose and fix.
Doors are a nightmare when parking.
It has the turning circle of the titanic.
Busso engine and gear box are pretty robust.
It's surprisingly fast, even by todays standards and sounds like a race car.
CF3 engines with the Pre-cats can cause heat damage to the ECU's. Replacements are hard to find. Removing the precats solves this and also gives you some extra power.
Standard brakes are crap but upgraded callipers and/or pads help.
Head gaskets over 100k may start to fail but usually with plenty of warning.
Diffs on the 3.2's had alarming failure rates. Q2 eliminates this issue whilst significantly improving handling and most v6's for sale these days seem to have this upgrade.
Suspension is good but not robust. Loads of opinions on the best set up but in general, keeping it standard seems to be the best solution for crappy British roads.
They are all getting to an age now where rust will often be an issue. Sills underneath the plastic side mouldings first place to look.
Oil coolers will leak. Aftermarket upgrades available.
Timing belt will be 4 years max and is 400 to 600.
Electrics and windows will play up but easy to diagnose and fix.
Doors are a nightmare when parking.
It has the turning circle of the titanic.
+1 on rust!
As mentioned above, plastic sill covers can hide some horrors so best to get on a lift and have poke around from underneath or remove if them if poss. Also rear arches , again have a good look for crusty edges, ideally with the arch liners out of the way.
Agree they are deceptively quick, not necessarily on the 0-60 but mid range from 4-7000rpm in 4th gear is fun!
I would have a chat with some of the well known indys to keep an eye out for a good one for you. Laurence at Autolusso Bournemouth would be my choice!
As mentioned above, plastic sill covers can hide some horrors so best to get on a lift and have poke around from underneath or remove if them if poss. Also rear arches , again have a good look for crusty edges, ideally with the arch liners out of the way.
Agree they are deceptively quick, not necessarily on the 0-60 but mid range from 4-7000rpm in 4th gear is fun!
I would have a chat with some of the well known indys to keep an eye out for a good one for you. Laurence at Autolusso Bournemouth would be my choice!
Good luck in your search
I’ve hopefully landed myself one, but have seen several over the past 2 months - if I liked Vela blue, I’d be sorted by now, but I’ve been holding out for a Proteo or Grey example.
Some great advice above. Re AC, most cars I saw it wasn’t working either due to leaky pipes or condensers which aren’t available to buy, even aftermarket.
I’ve sought out a non-sunroof car, I can’t be doing with potential sunroof issues on older cars. Might add its own challenge if the AC stops working.
Minor point but the correct 91 rated tyre on Teledials seems to ride better than the 94 rated tyres I’ve seen on most cars (16” should run on 87 load rated tyres).
Some cars have been modified with Q2/Quaife, Koni shocks and Eibach springs - the Eibachs seem to get mixed reviews, although this depends on what shocks are being used. Worth noting that Alfaholics do not recommend uprated or lowered springs.
The car I’m buying has a wizard exhaust. Refined on the inside but pretty fruity on the outside. I may add an intermediate silencer to avoid the attention!
I’ve hopefully landed myself one, but have seen several over the past 2 months - if I liked Vela blue, I’d be sorted by now, but I’ve been holding out for a Proteo or Grey example.
Some great advice above. Re AC, most cars I saw it wasn’t working either due to leaky pipes or condensers which aren’t available to buy, even aftermarket.
I’ve sought out a non-sunroof car, I can’t be doing with potential sunroof issues on older cars. Might add its own challenge if the AC stops working.
Minor point but the correct 91 rated tyre on Teledials seems to ride better than the 94 rated tyres I’ve seen on most cars (16” should run on 87 load rated tyres).
Some cars have been modified with Q2/Quaife, Koni shocks and Eibach springs - the Eibachs seem to get mixed reviews, although this depends on what shocks are being used. Worth noting that Alfaholics do not recommend uprated or lowered springs.
The car I’m buying has a wizard exhaust. Refined on the inside but pretty fruity on the outside. I may add an intermediate silencer to avoid the attention!
cornershop said:
Good luck in your search
I’ve hopefully landed myself one, but have seen several over the past 2 months - if I liked Vela blue, I’d be sorted by now, but I’ve been holding out for a Proteo or Grey example.
Thanks. There's a grey one for sale on the AROC Facebook group currently - looked quite nice at a glance.I’ve hopefully landed myself one, but have seen several over the past 2 months - if I liked Vela blue, I’d be sorted by now, but I’ve been holding out for a Proteo or Grey example.
I'm afraid something else came up before I found a suitable Alfa, so the Busso plan will have to wait for a few more years. Gone for a 1933 Ulster-bodied Austin Seven special instead. Just a bit different.
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