Caught twice on single day...

Caught twice on single day...

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Order66

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6,733 posts

250 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Work colleague came to me today (being the 'car guy' and supposed to know about these things), his daughter just received two letters from Police Scotland for two separate offences within a couple of hours on the same day (same journey). One was about 51mph in a temporary 40 limit and the other 63mph in a 50 limit.

Normally separated I'd say just send either back and take the likely offer of 3 points and £100 fine, and that was my advice (basically swallowing the 6 points and increased insurance for the next few years), however starting to wonder if these won't be dealt with as separate incidents, and will she be hauled into court and some higher jeopardy applied? Are the police systems joined up enough to detect these 2 happened on same day?

BertBert

19,115 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th May
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It'll just be two fixed penalties I would think. 6 points in total.
Unless the errant speeder wants to argue it's one offence. But that's probably not going to work in two limits.
Respond and take what's coming. No choice I would say

martinbiz

3,154 posts

146 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Order66 said:
Work colleague came to me today (being the 'car guy' and supposed to know about these things), his daughter just received two letters from Police Scotland for two separate offences within a couple of hours on the same day (same journey). One was about 51mph in a temporary 40 limit and the other 63mph in a 50 limit.

Normally separated I'd say just send either back and take the likely offer of 3 points and £100 fine, and that was my advice (basically swallowing the 6 points and increased insurance for the next few years), however starting to wonder if these won't be dealt with as separate incidents, and will she be hauled into court and some higher jeopardy applied? Are the police systems joined up enough to detect these 2 happened on same day?
Will be 2 separate offences, FP £100 and 3 points each, the fact it happened on the same day attracts no ectra punisment...........Even in Scotland! The good result would be to have them treated as one continous offence, but as Bert correctly says that's not going to happen unless it's on the same continous journey on the same road in the same limit

WrekinCrew

4,636 posts

151 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Search on "going unsigned" which apparently still works for NIPs in Scotland.

Order66

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6,733 posts

250 months

Tuesday 7th May
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WrekinCrew said:
Search on "going unsigned" which apparently still works for NIPs in Scotland.
They are not the type to try play the system, so not going to even suggest it.

As suspected, 6 points, £200 in fines and a few years of painful insurance given the girl in question is 20, but the path of least resistance is to pay up - that's what I suggested. Thanks all for the confirmation.

Rotary Potato

273 posts

97 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Order66 said:
They are not the type to try play the system, so not going to even suggest it.

As suspected, 6 points, £200 in fines and a few years of painful insurance given the girl in question is 20, but the path of least resistance is to pay up - that's what I suggested. Thanks all for the confirmation.
If the driver is 20, has she had her license long enough to still be able to drive once 6 points are added to it?

Jamescrs

4,509 posts

66 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Are speed awarenes courses not a thing in Scotland? (genuine question). WOuld be better to take a curse for one and 3 points for the other if it can be done

cuprabob

14,744 posts

215 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Jamescrs said:
Are speed awarenes courses not a thing in Scotland? (genuine question). WOuld be better to take a curse for one and 3 points for the other if it can be done
No, not offered up here.

Wish

1,302 posts

250 months

Wednesday 8th May
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One set for the wife, one set for the daughter surely?

Hill92

4,260 posts

191 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Wish said:
One set for the wife, one set for the daughter surely?
And convictions for defeating the ends of justice all round.

loskie

5,287 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I got caught speeding in around 1992. On a fairly low income (£10k) 50 in a 30. £100 fine and 3 points. It was in court not a fixed penalty. I plead guilty by letter.

Same road, similar time a local MEP was caught in the morning on his way to Ayr and again in the afternoon on the way home. Same court sitting as me. He got this classed as 1 YES1 speeding offence and the fine was something like £30 and 3 points.

Not that I'm bitter or anything!!

Dingu

3,857 posts

31 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Wish said:
One set for the wife, one set for the daughter surely?
Silliest post of the day winner

Order66

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6,733 posts

250 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Rotary Potato said:
If the driver is 20, has she had her license long enough to still be able to drive once 6 points are added to it?
possibly nearer 22 if I think about it - I'll ask the question, but sure she'll have had her license over 2yrs

Order66

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6,733 posts

250 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Wish said:
One set for the wife, one set for the daughter surely?
is the risk of time inside really worth it for what will be a couple of grand over 4 yrs?

Alfa Pete

413 posts

227 months

Thursday 9th May
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My partner managed to get caught twice by two separate speed cameras 45 minutes a couple of years back.
The first was for doing 47 in the 40mph zone at the bottom of the m32 to Bristol and then doing 66 in the variable speed limit on the m5.
She took a course for the first offence and 3 points for the second. An expensive trip!

98elise

26,756 posts

162 months

Thursday 9th May
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Dingu said:
Wish said:
One set for the wife, one set for the daughter surely?
Silliest post of the day winner
Agreed. Why commit a more serious crime trying to avoid a minor speeding offence. They could both end up in jail for PCoJ.

A Labour MP and her brother were jailed for similar.

ThingsBehindTheSun

215 posts

32 months

Thursday 9th May
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My ex wife got prosecuted twice in one day about 20 years ago. On the way home she decided to overtake a marked police car at 80+ MPH on the M25 and got 3 points.

Then a couple of days later she got another NIP through the door. Thinking it was a mistake and a repeat of the first prosecution she phoned Surrey police only to be told this was a different NIP from Kent police for a speed camera she set off on the way there.

6 points in total and two separate fines.

cliffe_mafia

1,647 posts

239 months

Thursday 9th May
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WrekinCrew said:
Search on "going unsigned" which apparently still works for NIPs in Scotland.
Those were the days...

Whataguy

851 posts

81 months

Thursday 9th May
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I'd always thought that you could only be prosecuted once for a speeding offence if it was a 'single journey' ie you hadn't stopped between the two offences? But if you had stopped, even briefly for petrol, then both applied.

Maybe it's changed, or you have to take the court option to do this?

martinbiz

3,154 posts

146 months

Thursday 9th May
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Whataguy said:
I'd always thought that you could only be prosecuted once for a speeding offence if it was a 'single journey' ie you hadn't stopped between the two offences? But if you had stopped, even briefly for petrol, then both applied.

Maybe it's changed, or you have to take the court option to do this?
Being treated as one offence will only happen if it was continous ie on the same road and with no limit changes,