RE: BMW i8 | The Brave Pill

RE: BMW i8 | The Brave Pill

Saturday 30th April 2022

BMW i8 | The Brave Pill

BMW's electric past is better looking than its electric future



Newness doesn't last long these days. It's only eight years since the BMW i8 was launched at the crest of a wave of green-tinted corporate confidence, and just two years since it retired with much less fanfare. Yet the pioneering plug-in sportscar already seems a fair bit older than that, both in terms of the modest levels of electrical assistance in its powertrain, but also because the BMW of today is a much less daring company than the one that created it. And a less good looking one, too.

This 2015 i8 is our newest ever Pill and, according to Enzo the hamster, also the first to feature a three-cylinder engine. Neither quality is likely to trigger the lust for peril of automotive adventurers. But the other side of the BMW's high-tech powertrain definitely gives pause for thought. Because while a 231hp 1.5-litre triple turns the car's rear wheels, the fronts are powered by a 131hp electric motor through a two-speed gearbox, supplied with electro-juice by a 7.1kWh battery pack. All of which has far more potential for £££ if things go wrong.

While a hybrid might not be intrinsically more mechanically adventurous than a pure combustion model, the very newness of cars like the i8 means we are still only part of the way through the voyage of discovery into how well they will age. Further up the supercar tree there are reportedly several McLaren P1 owners who have already had to swallow the scary costs of replacement battery packs. UK-sold i8s came with an eight-year battery warranty when new, one this car should still be under the tail-end of, but, as the leggiest example in the classifieds (with 74,000 miles showing), our Pill has presumably already been through a huge number of charge and discharge cycles.


The i8 was a radical car produced by what was still a moderately radical company. Other premium carmakers were adopting an "after you" strategy to electrification at the turn of the last decade. Audi commissioned the R8 e-tron project, then cancelled it, before bringing it back to build a limited run of 'technology demonstrators'. Mercedes tried slightly harder with the SLS Electric Drive, which could actually be purchased by civilians, albeit with a ludicrous seven-figure price tag which meant only a handful actually were. But BMW had the stones to rush into this brave new world, commissioning two new electric models, both using innovative carbon fibre structures. The i3 was a funky hatchback designed for cities, the i8 a flagship PHEV sports car.

The original i8 concept shown at the 2009 Frankfurt motor show featured a three-cylinder diesel engine at the back, but BMW made the sensible decision to switch the production version to a cleaner petrol triple. Yet despite its space age looks the i8 wasn't actually very electric; the modest capacity of its battery pack meant it could only manage a claimed 23 miles in its EV range, although the low weight allowed by the carbon fibre structure and modestly proportioned battery pack meant it weighted an impressively svelte 1,535kg. Which is almost exactly a tonne less than the chonktabulous BMW iX.

While the i8 was fast and handled well, it never felt like a proper rival for sharp end sports cars in terms of either performance or raw dynamic focus. Electric torque and all-wheel drive meant it launched hard and found good traction, but - in common with most EVs - acceleration started to wane as speed rose, even with the twin-speed front axle doing its thing, and with top speed limited to 155mph. The two ends of the powertrain also seemed to sometimes struggle to gel with each other under intense use, with the combustion engine's six-speed torque converter always feeling more laggardly than a performance model deserved. I never liked the odd, digitally augmented soundtrack that tried to butch up the noise made by the three-pot either, although some reckoned it suited the car's futuristic character.


Providing you could fit family and lifestyle commitments into it, it was well suited to everyday life, too. The i8's upward opening butterfly doors looked great, and - although very clearly a BMW - the cabin beyond them was better finished and more comfortable than a genuine junior supercar. Space was respectable for two occupants, although the nominal 2+2 accommodation in the rear was only really enhanced luggage room. And it was an impressively refined high-speed cruiser, a proper executive express. All-out economy was unlikely to be a major concern for those able to afford the six-figure asking price, but the i8 was genuinely frugal - even without plugging it in it could easily be persuaded to get north of 40mpg, and regular use of the charging port could make local use entirely engine-free.

But like many high-fashion sports cars, i8 production was heavily biased towards the early years of its long life. Anticipation had seen the creation of a waiting list before it was launched, but once these determined-to-be early adopters had their cars, interest waned quickly. BMW produced 10,000 cars, half of the total production, in the first two years; even the arrival of a roadster version in 2018 - into what is normally an open-topped bit of the market - couldn't rally much more interest.

Our Pill is an early example from 2015, one that would have had a basic list price of £99,845 - although with the government's then plug-in grant generously knocking £5,000 off that. According to the advert this car was optioned with the Harmon/Kardon sound system, bigger wheels and both the 360-degree camera system and a head-up display, so was likely still close to six figures as bought. It's now being offered for £40,980, and although it seems certain that depreciation isn't done with it yet, it does look like stonking value for such an exotic performance machine.


The advert says the car has a full BMW service history, although an image of the onboard display for this suggests there was a gap between the last one in June 2021 at 63,000 miles and the one before, in October 2018, at 35,000 miles. The MOT history suggests that previous owners have enjoyed the performance - with a couple of fails and multiple advisories for worn tyres - and also reveals it once wore one of those non-standard number plates. For shame. The plates now seem appropriately legal, but the rear one seems to have been put on slightly squint.

You don't need much imagination to envisage a future where the i8 is regarded as one of BMW's more significant cars, and certainly one of the best-looking examples before the company entered its vast grille era. The unknown is how well it will deal with the eventual obsolescence of its battery pack, or the borkage of one of its other high-tech systems. Will it be possible to buy spares when new cars have moved onto much smarter solid state battery packs? Or will it end up with a hydrogen-powered V8 retrofitted to the back?


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bobski1

Original Poster:

1,788 posts

105 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Still can't forget the image of it birthing a 911 out it's rear bumper.

MyV10BarksAndBites

948 posts

50 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Would much rather an R8….

sidesauce

2,500 posts

219 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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I love mine - it truly is a unique car and I honestly will mourn replacing it.

It has been supremely reliable too (at least for me; others experience may vary). A car that, even now, still gets a huge amount of positive attention; I think the public find the fact it looks like it should be loud but actually can be silent a real novelty. Quite rare too - there are around 2500 in the UK.

BMW hit it out the park with this one and I know it'll take them another 20 years, like the Z8 and M1 preceding it, before they'll take as big a risk again.



Edited by sidesauce on Saturday 30th April 05:44

The Mad Monk

10,493 posts

118 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Wrong ad.

biggbn

23,661 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Love these, dream car

stavr0ss

202 posts

129 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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PH must be playing the same games as me lately. ‘Up to 40k’ opens up some very interesting options to somebody looking for a characterful performance car atm. I’ve been scratching my chin over these and guilia qvs for the most part, though you can get a pretty nice 997 at the same money I think I want something a bit more refined on a cruise now I’m getting on a bit.
I’ve concluded that the wife would forever be bemoaning the butterfly doors- the suicide jobs on the i3 we had were a pain in car parks and I can only see these being more so.

I really like them though, skinny tyres on something with shove always feels like old school fun, even if that’s slightly contradicts the sci-fi brief.

Chubbyross

4,558 posts

86 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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I still love these but bloody awful in black. It would have to be in the original metallic light blue (not sure of the actual name but hard to find any for sale).

Numeric

1,402 posts

152 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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sidesauce said:
I love mine - it truly is a unique car and I honestly will mourn replacing it.

It has been supremely reliable too (at least for me; others experience may vary). A car that, even now, still gets a huge amount of positive attention; I think the public find the fact it looks like it should be loud but actually can be silent a real novelty. Quite rare too - there are around 2500 in the UK.

BMW hit it out the park with this one and I know it'll take them another 20 years, like the Z8 and M1 preceding it, before they'll take as big a risk again.



Edited by sidesauce on Saturday 30th April 05:44
For me this and the i3 seemed to show that BMW were able to be extremely dynamic with new technology. Actually the i3 seemed the most impressive as it seemed to make the best use of an emerging tech.

What the heck has happened since??

Of course the i3 was a bit premature, but that doesn't mean they should just stop. A new i3 embracing latest tech might work and they must try again, are we really to be condemned to just electric versions of 4x4 of various sizes? Or badge it as a Mini - heck there was a brand where great packaging and innovation were its key in its formative years - instead we get the electric mini with all the innovation of Lego!

I salute your i8 as being what BMW can do when they try - rather than knock out boring boxes in China - because within the i8 and i3 we saw a glimpse of a possible future that may take time to get just right, but I feel would give BMW or Mini the real differentiation needed in the new world.

There will always be a better box, but will there ever be a better i8 (or i3)?

Gosh - horribly ranty on a sunny day - more coffee required me thinks...



Edited by Numeric on Saturday 30th April 07:52

Mysstree

459 posts

47 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Great looking car especially in the brighter and more lairy colours.

dgswk

900 posts

95 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Like the i3, so ahead of it’s time and both killed off too soon in exchange for the current behemoths. A full BEV i8, dump the ICE and add 50Kwh battery would have been a special thing. I’m hoping that’s what Lotus / Alpine come up with anyway.

Lovely things, big fan.

Groaver

56 posts

34 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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The Mad Monk said:
Wrong ad.
Yeah, looks like it's got an extra cat fitted.

Collectingbrass

2,238 posts

196 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Groaver said:
The Mad Monk said:
Wrong ad.
Yeah, looks like it's got an extra cat fitted.
:applause gif:

S600BSB

4,946 posts

107 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Thought about one of these but went for a 911. No regrets.

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56 posts

171 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Great cars. Drove mine throughout the Swedish winter a few years back in -15 c and snow.

cerb4.5lee

30,961 posts

181 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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I saw one of these the other day and it looked incredible on the road I thought. However the way that it is powered(a tiny engine and a battery) doesn't interest me in the slightest though. If this had a V8 or a straight 6 in it though it would be a completely different matter I reckon.

big_rob_sydney

3,412 posts

195 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Ah, the plastic pig.

A pastiche of technologies, and coming up to eye-watering replacement costs for sub systems. The rear seats are a joke, so it's not even close to being a family car, and it can't load more than a toothbrush. If you just want a 2 seat sports car and have £40k to spend (and put aside lord knows how much else for the inevitable battery pack replacement...), there are plenty of options.

TheMilkyBarKid

556 posts

30 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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When we replace our F-Type next year the i8, along with an Evora 400 (hoping the ‘Emira effect’ dints prices a little over the next 14-15 months!) a 4.0 Cayman GTS and possibly the A110 are all in the frame.

I love the way the i8 looks but one of the things that puts me off a little is the potentially horrific bill for a new battery pack once beyond 10 years of age and also the butterfly doors. The same issue applies to any car with scissor doors really but I’d be interested to hear from owners if they’ve ever had a problem in car parks if someone parks so close there isn’t enough space for the door to arc upwards? Or do you always look for an end space?!

Cryssys

476 posts

39 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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big_rob_sydney said:
Ah, the plastic pig.

A pastiche of technologies, and coming up to eye-watering replacement costs for sub systems. The rear seats are a joke, so it's not even close to being a family car, and it can't load more than a toothbrush. If you just want a 2 seat sports car and have £40k to spend (and put aside lord knows how much else for the inevitable battery pack replacement...), there are plenty of options.
There are lots of (sensible) alternatives but that's not the point. It's all about being brave and taking a risk on something different. To that extent it's a good choice and fits the bill perfectly.

big_rob_sydney

3,412 posts

195 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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Cryssys said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Ah, the plastic pig.

A pastiche of technologies, and coming up to eye-watering replacement costs for sub systems. The rear seats are a joke, so it's not even close to being a family car, and it can't load more than a toothbrush. If you just want a 2 seat sports car and have £40k to spend (and put aside lord knows how much else for the inevitable battery pack replacement...), there are plenty of options.
There are lots of (sensible) alternatives but that's not the point. It's all about being brave and taking a risk on something different. To that extent it's a good choice and fits the bill perfectly.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. While we're on the subject, I have a bridge to sell you.

Pusikurac

121 posts

41 months

Saturday 30th April 2022
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I almost bought one before Covid, but I waited. Now, the prices are 20% higher than 2 years ago. I'm not paying 20% more, when it should be 20% less! No way. I guess I'll wait. And maybe buy R8, while at it.
I8 is really a good proposition, as tax is really low comparing to any other sportscar.