Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
chrispmartha said:
Is it? have the boats stopped then or been reduced since it was announced?
The Irish think it is.Why not give it 5 minutes before writing it off.
Obviously it will take time for the news re rwanda to get out.
The smugglers wont be mentioning it after all.
There will also be those that have started travelling before it was passed.
We do want it to work don't we?
Seems to be an awful lot of people in this country that dont.
119 said:
The man is a prize plum and no mistake.philv said:
chrispmartha said:
Is it? have the boats stopped then or been reduced since it was announced?
The Irish think it is.Why not give it 5 minutes before writing it off.
Obviously it will take time for the news re rwanda to get out.
The smugglers wont be mentioning it after all.
There will also be those that have started travelling before it was passed.
We do want it to work don't we?
Seems to be an awful lot of people in this country that dont.
How much has been spent on it so far?
JagLover said:
Lotobear said:
It's really quite amusing how Keir seems to have gone full on hard bats
t right in the last few days, make the Cons look like lib dums
Eh?t right in the last few days, make the Cons look like lib dumsTalked big, but nothing he was proposing was likely to reduce the channel crossings.
JagLover said:
Lotobear said:
It's really quite amusing how Keir seems to have gone full on hard batst right in the last few days, make the Cons look like lib dums
Eh?t right in the last few days, make the Cons look like lib dumsTalked big, but nothing he was proposing was likely to reduce the channel crossings.
A more accurate description is what will we do with them when they get here.
philv said:
chrispmartha said:
It more than likely won’t even happen never mind work.
How much has been spent on it so far?
Would that be the government's fault or the fault of all those trying to stop it happening?How much has been spent on it so far?
chrispmartha said:
philv said:
chrispmartha said:
It more than likely won’t even happen never mind work.
How much has been spent on it so far?
Would that be the government's fault or the fault of all those trying to stop it happening?How much has been spent on it so far?
Maybe he is playing his cards close to his chest, just in case the tories steal his ideas.
119 said:
chrispmartha said:
philv said:
chrispmartha said:
It more than likely won’t even happen never mind work.
How much has been spent on it so far?
Would that be the government's fault or the fault of all those trying to stop it happening?How much has been spent on it so far?
Maybe he is playing his cards close to his chest, just in case the tories steal his ideas.
It wouldn't be the first time they've nicked an idea either would it.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Just listening to the media round this morning and fk me they have got themselves in a mess over this Elphicke thing.
What on earth were they thinking.
From conversations with people (interested sorts, admittedly, of centre left or centre right leaning) about this, most seem to think that Labour should have politely turned her down, rather than appearing to abandon their principles. k me they have got themselves in a mess over this Elphicke thing.What on earth were they thinking.
I'm not sure how it will play with Joe Average or the few remaining Tory supporters (if they are still Tory supporting at this point, there is unlikely to be much that could persuade them otherwise)
Whether or not it will provide a net positive impact to Labour's support at the GE, who knows?
MC Bodge said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Just listening to the media round this morning and fk me they have got themselves in a mess over this Elphicke thing.
What on earth were they thinking.
From conversations with people (interested sorts, admittedly, of centre left or centre right leaning) about this, most seem to think that Labour should have politely turned her down, rather than appearing to abandon their principles. k me they have got themselves in a mess over this Elphicke thing.What on earth were they thinking.
I'm not sure how it will play with Joe Average or the few remaining Tory supporters (if they are still Tory supporting at this point, there is unlikely to be much that could persuade them otherwise)
Whether or not it will provide a net positive impact to Labour's support at the GE, who knows?
Why did Starmer do it? It can only be that he relished the immediate embarrassment it would cause the Conservatives without ever considering any down sides whatsoever. I cannot think of a more short sighted, inept decision of any party leader, ever. To be seduced by an exceptionally short term tactical advantage whilst paying no heed to the blindingly obvious problems it would cause is just stunning. And this t
t thinks he is PM material . . . God help us all!Garvin said:
It is nothing more than complete and utter incompetence and stupidity. It appears that most people who take an interest in politics look at a fully fledged far right Conservative MP, who merely wants to kick Sunak where it hurts, crossing the floor into the welcoming open arms of Starmer and think WTF! There is no possible chance that Elphicke has had an epiphany and, overnight, gone from far right to even mildly centre left and it is patently obvious to anyone but the moron’s moron that’s this will cause more upset to the Labour Party than the Conservatives.
Why did Starmer do it? It can only be that he relished the immediate embarrassment it would cause the Conservatives without ever considering any down sides whatsoever. I cannot think of a more short sighted, inept decision of any party leader, ever. To be seduced by an exceptionally short term tactical advantage whilst paying no heed to the blindingly obvious problems it would cause is just stunning. And this tt thinks he is PM material . . . God help us all!
Yes, I'm sure he will be gutted to lose your vote.Why did Starmer do it? It can only be that he relished the immediate embarrassment it would cause the Conservatives without ever considering any down sides whatsoever. I cannot think of a more short sighted, inept decision of any party leader, ever. To be seduced by an exceptionally short term tactical advantage whilst paying no heed to the blindingly obvious problems it would cause is just stunning. And this t
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