EVs... no one wants them!

Not everyone was created equal. Also I have never owned a Focus ST.

They’re not available on our works “green car scheme” and that’s how a good chunk of EV’s are leased out. I had poke around one at our local dealership, I wasn’t drawn to it, especially not at that price point. If I were a gambling man I’d say it’ll depreciate worse than a Taycan.

You’ll regret that decision come next spring when the first 2 days of the season are spent vainly trying to get it started because the carbs all gummed up on account of the fact that you forgot to drain the fuel before you put it away fir the winter, then finally give up and order a cheap replacement on EBay

Regarding your debate about efficiency, just wait till someone points out (with a detailed explanation) how a 2 ton EV can be (far) less polluting than a 1 ton ICE car, your head will explode!

(Because efficiency is a red herring, what matters is pollution, specifically CO2, and the best proxy for that is waste heat. Stand in your high street with a thermal camera as the various cars go by and that’s really all you need to do.)

How much CO2 does nuclear fission produce?

You can't use the RRP number though as it is a fabricated factor merely used to assist the shifting of over priced lending.

While new v used EV pricing is a lovely insight for consumer punters addicted to the priapismic shopper's life into the difference between command economics in the hands of corporate entities and free market pricing where the actual consumer determines the price it is important that no one is so daft as to use the made up RRP number as some form of valid price for comparisons.

And of course logically, not that shopping contains an ounce of logic, why would you pay your neighbours tax bill?

One could argue that in recent decades the consumer has ceased to comprehend the concept of value or pricing as a result of the desperation of consumers to acquire objects and the enormous ease of facilitation of lending to the point that almost anyone can borrow from their future earnings and impoverish themselves voluntarily and that what you're seeing with used EVs is the absence of these apex consumers and their pricing being set by a much smaller segment of the consumer economy, people who still price goods based on actual value.

People who understand that the product was never £39k and that the actual cost new has to account for the multiple tax savings as well as things like VAT. People who are more inclined to appreciate that RRP isn't a price but a tool to support captive finance mechanisms.

But far more importantly is the used value of EVs in that they're true values. They are actually prices being defined by user demand, the consumer unlike used ICE where the first used price and all too often the second is set artificially higher by the manufacturer as the higher used values are the more profitable the lending in new. Likewise, the more control you have over the stability of the prediction of the value in three years time the more profitable the lending is.

I hate to break it to everyone who thinks used EV pricing is wrong or bad that the true reality is that used ICE pricing has been being and still is, artificially inflated by the manufacturers and their finance partners for the last couple of decades.

It's not used EV prices that are wrong. They obviously can't be wrong as they're being defined by the consumer presently. It is very clearly used ICE prices that are too high and have been for years. EVs are revealing to consumers just how much manufacturers have been ripping them off via both RRP manipulation and the rigging of used values three years out.

How has this happened? Because the used EV market just doesn't consist of that enormous global consumer army of shopping addicted dimwits who act without thinking. It has plenty of them but not enough to dominate.

The fact that so few people apparently want a used EV, which as far as I can tell is driven in the most part by fear of change and the fact that they are aligned with ridiculous net-zero guff, just stop oil dipsts etc. is brilliant for anyone who can get past all of that crap and judge them purely on their own merits.

It's currently possible to pick up a premium, 3 year old, 400+ HP vehicle like a Polestar 2 for < £20k, giving access to the best drivetrain I've ever experienced in a daily car and running costs of around 2p per mile.

My thanks to all the haters, it's much appreciated,

Exactly. It's the absence of consumer junkies that are currently allowing used EVs to be priced fairly by actual consumer demand but the sort of consumer who does a basic cost calculation, considers factors such as value and isn't in a massive rush to take out a loan to pay someone else's tax. The effect being so strong presently that the lenders have lost control of used values and are unable to hold them up as they do with yr3 ICE assets.

I'm not sure it'll last all that long and of course, if you don't do the maths with the fake RRP number but the actual initial cost the depreciation is actually nowhere near as exciting as some can be tricked into thinking but used EVs currently offer excellent value against the over inflated ICe comparisons if you're lucky enough to have the use case and facilities to enable a comparison. Even better for people who don't go shopping every weekend as the weigh in value of an EV when it's time to put it in the bin in 10/12 years time is probably going to be quite a bit higher than the ICE.

Lower front end buy in, much lower lifetime running costs, probably a higher scrap value. EVs are by far and away the greatest opportunity in years for people who create their own sheds. For people who have to change their car every other year, or don't have private parking or worse still, have relatives in the North that are too scared to travel South, maybe have to commute to Mogadishu, live in a tenement or just simply get more enjoyment from ICE then swerve EVs both new and used. No one is forcing someone to have one and just because they're the latest must have indicator of 'winning' to the pro shopper it would seem an act of silliness too far even for those muppets to be buying an object they can't recharge or means they have to hang out at grim motorway services.

I'm the same; I picked up an as-new three-year-old i3S from a BMW dealer for 40% of its RRP.

I'm not sure why, but the prices at the dealers seem to have gone up again with i3s . I might have been lucky.

On that note, I'm still wondering what the used car dealers do with battery leases (like older Zoes, and the Chinese Nio).
Do they still have to pay the monthly battery lease charge whilst it's stuck on their forecourt?
If so that's a real pain.