Mr Bates vs The Post Office
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LimmerickLad said:
A very worried man I would say....................possible scapegoat?
I think I'd know what I'd do if I was, take as many as I could down with me, having watched many of the sessions I do get the feeling that there is coordination between the main players in that they have discussed their stories and agreed on a joint approach. He doesn't seem to be part of that clan.
Wills2 said:
LimmerickLad said:
A very worried man I would say....................possible scapegoat?
I think I'd know what I'd do if I was, take as many as I could down with me, having watched many of the sessions I do get the feeling that there is coordination between the main players in that they have discussed their stories and agreed on a joint approach. He doesn't seem to be part of that clan.
Edited by skwdenyer on Friday 10th May 15:13
skwdenyer said:
Wills2 said:
LimmerickLad said:
A very worried man I would say....................possible scapegoat?
I think I'd know what I'd do if I was, take as many as I could down with me, having watched many of the sessions I do get the feeling that there is coordination between the main players in that they have discussed their stories and agreed on a joint approach. He doesn't seem to be part of that clan.
Edited by skwdenyer on Friday 10th May 15:13
LimmerickLad said:
A very worried man I would say....................possible scapegoat?
The subtitles that come up below on some of the videos get a bit jumbled .... We've seen Jarnail Sing displayed as John L Sing (could be a good name for a detective or star of an old Western? ) Today with Rod Ismay ....... I expected to see "Mr Dismay" displayed as the morning progressed!Alan Bates kicking back against the 'grassroots' campaign to stop litigation being funded by specialists.
As he points out, big businesses are banking on their power to exhaust the 'little people' are behind the need for these funders. He quotes an email from PO lawyers setting out their strategy . . . .
It is from Post Office lawyers pledging to: “stretch out the litigation process so to increase costs in the hope that the claimants, and more particularly their litigation funder, decide that it is too costly to pursue the litigation and give up”.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
As he points out, big businesses are banking on their power to exhaust the 'little people' are behind the need for these funders. He quotes an email from PO lawyers setting out their strategy . . . .
It is from Post Office lawyers pledging to: “stretch out the litigation process so to increase costs in the hope that the claimants, and more particularly their litigation funder, decide that it is too costly to pursue the litigation and give up”.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
kevinon said:
Alan Bates kicking back against the 'grassroots' campaign to stop litigation being funded by specialists.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
Thanks for that, very interesting. Watching the drama I cursed the financiers when the outcome was revealed.From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
However - " Therium, and our legal teams, even took a haircut on their returns to ensure the victims group received some return as they went on to pursue the truth through further court cases, enabling convictions to be overturned and real financial redress to be sought."
IIRC? This wasn't mentioned, if it had I might've tempered my opinion they were just money grabbers and justice was insignificant to them.
kevinon said:
Alan Bates kicking back against the 'grassroots' campaign to stop litigation being funded by specialists.
As he points out, big businesses are banking on their power to exhaust the 'little people' are behind the need for these funders. He quotes an email from PO lawyers setting out their strategy . . . .
It is from Post Office lawyers pledging to: “stretch out the litigation process so to increase costs in the hope that the claimants, and more particularly their litigation funder, decide that it is too costly to pursue the litigation and give up”.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
It does seem as though painting the likes of Therium as vultures or money grabbers rather plays into the hands of large corporates and public sector bodies who have the ability to outspend any litigant who doesn’t have a similar level of means. The Castleton high court case was a good example of that strategy in action. One can see why this is attractive to the government but it should absolutely be resisted at any cost.As he points out, big businesses are banking on their power to exhaust the 'little people' are behind the need for these funders. He quotes an email from PO lawyers setting out their strategy . . . .
It is from Post Office lawyers pledging to: “stretch out the litigation process so to increase costs in the hope that the claimants, and more particularly their litigation funder, decide that it is too costly to pursue the litigation and give up”.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
Something that I’ve wondered about since reading Nick Wallis’s book and watching the drama: if POL had somehow won the Horizon Issues case and got a costs order against Alan Bates, how much would Therium have had to pay out in costs? £100m plus? That’s an astronomically large gamble for any organisation, but in this case it’s clearly what got this case a lot closer to something resembling justice.
kevinon said:
Alan Bates kicking back against the 'grassroots' campaign to stop litigation being funded by specialists.
As he points out, big businesses are banking on their power to exhaust the 'little people' are behind the need for these funders. He quotes an email from PO lawyers setting out their strategy . . . .
It is from Post Office lawyers pledging to: “stretch out the litigation process so to increase costs in the hope that the claimants, and more particularly their litigation funder, decide that it is too costly to pursue the litigation and give up”.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
Catching up on the afternoon session from today. Continuing on from before lunch, Mr. Beer is asking who was signing off the costs for litigation, one of which was spending £300k to recover £25k and 'deter future challenges to Horizon'As he points out, big businesses are banking on their power to exhaust the 'little people' are behind the need for these funders. He quotes an email from PO lawyers setting out their strategy . . . .
It is from Post Office lawyers pledging to: “stretch out the litigation process so to increase costs in the hope that the claimants, and more particularly their litigation funder, decide that it is too costly to pursue the litigation and give up”.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
Mr 'Dismay' is quite surprised to learn he started as Leader of the PO Litigation Steering Group! "But somebody else soon took over"
ffs - this guy is telling the enquiry he had so f
king much to do, 200 emails a day, back to back conference calls, so many documents 'in his head', so many, many things going on / to do, but he was never ' in charge of anything'. f
k, it's now 10s of thousands of emails!! This is a slow motion car crash! Mr Beer is playing his ego now like a fly fisherman!
Mods, I don't actually like popcorn, but can we have a popcorn smiley, please!
skwdenyer said:
Have any of the witnesses been asked this question outright: “have you coordinated your evidence, or received advice from POL on how you should reply to questions?” Getting that on the record would seem wise/
Seems probable based on how this has all gone so far that if asked that none of them would be able to recall. It's remarkably strange how they can all remember perfectly any little detail that puts distance between them and the wrongdoing but have no recollection of anything at all that makes them complicit in it.Maxdecel said:
kevinon said:
Alan Bates kicking back against the 'grassroots' campaign to stop litigation being funded by specialists.
From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
Thanks for that, very interesting. Watching the drama I cursed the financiers when the outcome was revealed.From - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/...
However - " Therium, and our legal teams, even took a haircut on their returns to ensure the victims group received some return as they went on to pursue the truth through further court cases, enabling convictions to be overturned and real financial redress to be sought."
IIRC? This wasn't mentioned, if it had I might've tempered my opinion they were just money grabbers and justice was insignificant to them.
The attempts to block this kind of redress shows you what we're up against, it doesn't matter what their motivations were only that they enabled a light to be shone on what had happened.
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