RE: BMW i8 | The Brave Pill
Discussion
Hi all,
Apologies for the incorrect link! i8 and not XJ-S is here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13059403
and now in the hyperlink as well.
Cheers!
Matt
Apologies for the incorrect link! i8 and not XJ-S is here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13059403
and now in the hyperlink as well.
Cheers!
Matt
Had our Protonic blue from new in 2015. Fully loaded inc laser lights and love it. Don’t really see an issue with battery cost. Most people seem to suck up 30 or 40k depreciation on there 3/5 series and then go again. We won’t sell it, so the battery will just be a running repair effectively covered by the fuel savings since it was bought. Different if you buy one now and have to shell out in a couple of years perhaps, but with its cost spread over 10 ish years, it’s less than the fuel would have cost on a conventional car. Plus it still grabs people’s attention and it’s not a 2.5 tonne behemoth and has a carbon tub.
I think BMW have totally lost it
This is one of the best looking cars of the last 20 years for me, the i3 was one of the most interesting, maybe a bit ahead of the curve.
Compared to the gopping unimaginative s
te they’re churning out now bar the odd halo model (M2)
I think these are fantastic and if circumstances allowed would have one in a heartbeat
This is one of the best looking cars of the last 20 years for me, the i3 was one of the most interesting, maybe a bit ahead of the curve.
Compared to the gopping unimaginative s
te they’re churning out now bar the odd halo model (M2) I think these are fantastic and if circumstances allowed would have one in a heartbeat
blearyeyedboy said:
As brave as making a mug of tea.
These are near the bottom of the market and are a shoe-in for "future classic" status.
I think these are inspired and hopefully there'll be a future all-electric successor one day.
There was a successor in the wings called the Vision M Next that was initially scheduled for release next year but BMW pulled it. It would have had a 4-cylinder engine with two electric motors pushing out around 600hp, 186mph top speed and a 3-second 0-60 with 62 miles electric range (keeping with the current crop of PHEVs)These are near the bottom of the market and are a shoe-in for "future classic" status.
I think these are inspired and hopefully there'll be a future all-electric successor one day.
https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/topics/discover/concept-c...
Bottom line is BMW lost a lot of money with the i8 as it didn't sell well at all (think about it - no other car except a convertible could be spun off that platform) and because of the "BEV push", hybrid development was deemed too expensive so it got shelved. As I said before I believe it'll be at least a couple more generations (ie 15-20 years) before they try with something as brave as this car again.
I also think these are going to be seen as 'future classics' and will go the way of the M1 and Z8 and go up in value; I don't think they're going to get much cheaper than they are at present.
Harry Flashman said:
I love in London. Have been considering one of these for a while now. Love the idea, need to test drive one I think.
Do it! Free parking in Central London (when charging) for up to four hours, a pre-April 2017 reg will get you exactly zero VED, tires are around £190 a pop.
Filling the tank is around £55 at current prices and no matter what you do in it you'll get a minimum 40mpg but I've seen over 60 on the motorway. I signed up to BP pulse and can charge up as often as I like for £8 a month. Total range when fully charged and tanked is around 320 miles - facelift models improved on the electric range from about 15 to 23 miles.
It's not an very big (and more importantly for London, wide) car and as it's not a heavyweight nor does it have wide tires the steering is very direct.
Only thing I'll say is that be prepared to re-learn how to get in and get of a car and then be prepared to teach everyone who gets in for the first time too.
sidesauce said:
Do it!
Free parking in Central London (when charging) for up to four hours, a pre-April 2017 reg will get you exactly zero VED, tires are around £190 a pop.
Filling the tank is around £55 at current prices and no matter what you do in it you'll get a minimum 40mpg but I've seen over 60 on the motorway. I signed up to BP pulse and can charge up as often as I like for £8 a month. Total range when fully charged and tanked is around 320 miles - facelift models improved on the electric range from about 15 to 23 miles.
It's not an very big (and more importantly for London, wide) car and as it's not a heavyweight nor does it have wide tires the steering is very direct.
Only thing I'll say is that be prepared to re-learn how to get in and get of a car and then be prepared to teach everyone who gets in for the first time too.
Bought one in January from a BMW main dealer, 2015, Pure Impulse specification, 2 owners, 10k miles, 2yr AUC warranty, roadside assist etc for £50k. Thought I should get a hybrid for the school run as 3 miles never gets an engine warm, but equally a 320 mile round trip every couple of weeks for work meant some ICE and this is something I always wanted. Man maths made it work without me selling anything else interesting. This one seems pricey in comparison?Free parking in Central London (when charging) for up to four hours, a pre-April 2017 reg will get you exactly zero VED, tires are around £190 a pop.
Filling the tank is around £55 at current prices and no matter what you do in it you'll get a minimum 40mpg but I've seen over 60 on the motorway. I signed up to BP pulse and can charge up as often as I like for £8 a month. Total range when fully charged and tanked is around 320 miles - facelift models improved on the electric range from about 15 to 23 miles.
It's not an very big (and more importantly for London, wide) car and as it's not a heavyweight nor does it have wide tires the steering is very direct.
Only thing I'll say is that be prepared to re-learn how to get in and get of a car and then be prepared to teach everyone who gets in for the first time too.
I get circa 46 mpg average on the long runs and electric equivalent even better. Real world electric is max 15 miles on smaller battery but real world range for me exceeds 400 per tank, which is costing about £55 to fill currently.
Doors aren't the problem everyone makes out. They feel large, you worry, then get out and see there's loads of space. First thing I did was have all of the cills inside and out wrapped and PPFd though to protect them, which was well worth it as scuffs would be inevitable. They are also a big hit outside school, at least with the kids!
Rear seat room is no issue for a 6/7 year old in an Isofix car seat even with my wife up front. Boot space more of an issue for all to go away however, it is 150 litres apparently!
I think of the i8 as more a GT car than sports car as it is supremely comfortable and quiet over distance, undoubtedly helped by the carbon construction. The drivetrain can do odd things switching between electric and engine sometimes around town and I think later cars might be better at that. To mitigate you can drive it in sports mode but I only bother on the open road if making some passes on other cars.
I have a 997 too, which is definitely a sports car and the one I took for a strop round Wales. It is a full 150mm narrower and 250mm shorter yet has more luggage capacity and feels open and airy in comparison. Each has a place in that regard. Not sure currently what could replace its mix of abilities? Great car, thoroughly enjoying it.
I've had my i8 LCI for around 10 months now and I absolutely love it.
Swapped an M2C for it and don't regret it one bit.
It has some intricacies you need to get used to, such as the doors, small boot and smaller rear seats, but overall it's relatively liveable for what it is.
For the prices these are, I see them as a bargain for what you get.
Swapped an M2C for it and don't regret it one bit.
It has some intricacies you need to get used to, such as the doors, small boot and smaller rear seats, but overall it's relatively liveable for what it is.
For the prices these are, I see them as a bargain for what you get.
Slaav said:
Surely if someone parks so close that you can’t open the doors, I don’t fancy the chances of getting in or out of any two door sports car style? 
Ps - certainly not if you’re 6’4” and 18 (ahem) st light!
But other two door sports cars don't have butterfly doors.Ps - certainly not if you’re 6’4” and 18 (ahem) st light!
With normal doors your can open them a smidge, and still squeeze out. You can do that with butterfly doors.
So many inaccuracies it's hard to know where to start.
The government kick back was £10k back in 2014 through to 2017.
The standard car price increased by £10k to £98k and included all the extras for the Pure Impulse club which still runs today.
Most were optioned with optional wheels, HK hifi, which moved the price to £115k then the £10k kick back.
Now on to electric range and performance, pure battery sure 20miles and in later cars 30miles that doesn't include any regeneration which of course you get so the electric range is easily more.
Performance wise no issues keeping up with more exotic supercars in our local club, until you really get into over the 120mph.
Show me a single manufacturer today that really understands customer importance. BMW pure impulse club runs events all over the world even during lockdown with at home experiences with beer and wine tasting events.
Ice driving, formula e, lake District, Dartmoor, Marrakesh, Turin motor show (Parco Valentino) where i8s led the precession. So much more than just the figures which has presented here by someone who obviously never driven one and regurgitated nonsense.
The government kick back was £10k back in 2014 through to 2017.
The standard car price increased by £10k to £98k and included all the extras for the Pure Impulse club which still runs today.
Most were optioned with optional wheels, HK hifi, which moved the price to £115k then the £10k kick back.
Now on to electric range and performance, pure battery sure 20miles and in later cars 30miles that doesn't include any regeneration which of course you get so the electric range is easily more.
Performance wise no issues keeping up with more exotic supercars in our local club, until you really get into over the 120mph.
Show me a single manufacturer today that really understands customer importance. BMW pure impulse club runs events all over the world even during lockdown with at home experiences with beer and wine tasting events.
Ice driving, formula e, lake District, Dartmoor, Marrakesh, Turin motor show (Parco Valentino) where i8s led the precession. So much more than just the figures which has presented here by someone who obviously never driven one and regurgitated nonsense.
Should have added my one complaint is that the driver's seat seems too high and I'm only 5'10" or so. Something journos often mention about cars and I don't get (992 seats go soooo low but I doubt they've been criticised) but an inch or two would make a difference to the feel and visibility for sure.
Unlike the R8, the I8 still after all this time looks like a spaceship when you see them on the road, which is incredibly rare
For me though, i WISH they had junked the 3 pot, fitted another 'lecy motor and some more batteries. The i3 shows just how fun an EV can, be, the i8 missed it's target imo
(still a great ownership propersition, if not really a direct 911 alternative)
For me though, i WISH they had junked the 3 pot, fitted another 'lecy motor and some more batteries. The i3 shows just how fun an EV can, be, the i8 missed it's target imo
(still a great ownership propersition, if not really a direct 911 alternative)
Leigh-o70eq said:
So many inaccuracies it's hard to know where to start.
The government kick back was £10k back in 2014 through to 2017.
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PICG started at 5k in 2011?The government kick back was £10k back in 2014 through to 2017.
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e.g. https://www.ezoomed.com/blog/car-finance/uk-plug-i...
Leigh-o70eq said:
So many inaccuracies it's hard to know where to start.
The government kick back was £10k back in 2014 through to 2017.
The standard car price increased by £10k to £98k and included all the extras for the Pure Impulse club which still runs today.
Most were optioned with optional wheels, HK hifi, which moved the price to £115k then the £10k kick back.
Now on to electric range and performance, pure battery sure 20miles and in later cars 30miles that doesn't include any regeneration which of course you get so the electric range is easily more.
Performance wise no issues keeping up with more exotic supercars in our local club, until you really get into over the 120mph.
Show me a single manufacturer today that really understands customer importance. BMW pure impulse club runs events all over the world even during lockdown with at home experiences with beer and wine tasting events.
Ice driving, formula e, lake District, Dartmoor, Marrakesh, Turin motor show (Parco Valentino) where i8s led the precession. So much more than just the figures which has presented here by someone who obviously never driven one and regurgitated nonsense.
The highlighted statement is, in itself, inaccurate.The government kick back was £10k back in 2014 through to 2017.
The standard car price increased by £10k to £98k and included all the extras for the Pure Impulse club which still runs today.
Most were optioned with optional wheels, HK hifi, which moved the price to £115k then the £10k kick back.
Now on to electric range and performance, pure battery sure 20miles and in later cars 30miles that doesn't include any regeneration which of course you get so the electric range is easily more.
Performance wise no issues keeping up with more exotic supercars in our local club, until you really get into over the 120mph.
Show me a single manufacturer today that really understands customer importance. BMW pure impulse club runs events all over the world even during lockdown with at home experiences with beer and wine tasting events.
Ice driving, formula e, lake District, Dartmoor, Marrakesh, Turin motor show (Parco Valentino) where i8s led the precession. So much more than just the figures which has presented here by someone who obviously never driven one and regurgitated nonsense.
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