RE: Caterham launches 485 Final Editions for Europe
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They are going to be rationalising the ICE offerings to stay in touch with the market and their competitors.
The electric 7 has something like 350 bhp per ton and a torque curve to die for.
At 700 kg, I'm pretty sure that all the simulations and tests they've done so far have shown that the performance and driving experience will significantly move the game on.
Are new buyers of Caterhams going to keep flocking to buy an ICE version because they want the romance of an engine or just opt for a second hand car, especially give the high list price of the new ICE cars?
Just as likely though is that the owners are looking for a return on their investment that will only come from sales volumes that push them into complying with CO2 an ZEV legislation in their target markets.
The electric 7 has something like 350 bhp per ton and a torque curve to die for.
At 700 kg, I'm pretty sure that all the simulations and tests they've done so far have shown that the performance and driving experience will significantly move the game on.
Are new buyers of Caterhams going to keep flocking to buy an ICE version because they want the romance of an engine or just opt for a second hand car, especially give the high list price of the new ICE cars?
Just as likely though is that the owners are looking for a return on their investment that will only come from sales volumes that push them into complying with CO2 an ZEV legislation in their target markets.
BertBert said:
Sadly they are not planning on putting the electric 7 in production.
For now...The conundrum of putting a potentially compromised first-ever electric sports car out there vs waiting a few years for access to better/solid-state batteries and the fast recharge times that are now emerging.
GT9 said:
They are going to be rationalising the ICE offerings to stay in touch with the market and their competitors.
The electric 7 has something like 350 bhp per ton and a torque curve to die for.
At 700 kg, I'm pretty sure that all the simulations and tests they've done so far have shown that the performance and driving experience will significantly move the game on.
An electric 7 is a fundamentally bad idea for a variety of reasons. Caterham understand their customer base, hence there's no sign of a production EV 7 - they're sensibly putting their efforts into the new Caterham EV sports car instead.The electric 7 has something like 350 bhp per ton and a torque curve to die for.
At 700 kg, I'm pretty sure that all the simulations and tests they've done so far have shown that the performance and driving experience will significantly move the game on.
Olivera said:
GT9 said:
They are going to be rationalising the ICE offerings to stay in touch with the market and their competitors.
The electric 7 has something like 350 bhp per ton and a torque curve to die for.
At 700 kg, I'm pretty sure that all the simulations and tests they've done so far have shown that the performance and driving experience will significantly move the game on.
An electric 7 is a fundamentally bad idea for a variety of reasons. Caterham understand their customer base, hence there's no sign of a production EV 7 - they're sensibly putting their efforts into the new Caterham EV sports car instead.The electric 7 has something like 350 bhp per ton and a torque curve to die for.
At 700 kg, I'm pretty sure that all the simulations and tests they've done so far have shown that the performance and driving experience will significantly move the game on.
"We do not have plans to put EV Seven into production at this stage. EV Seven is a test-bed to see how well an EV powertrain works for our customers’ specific use cases. We’re doing this with our eyes wide open so that we learn how to deliver the specific attributes necessary for a Caterham Seven; lightweight, simple and fun to drive. We’ll bring this to market at the right time, when the future generation of battery technology allows it."
I too would prefer to see the project V come to fruition first, the 7 does have a seriously poor drag coefficient, with enough battery capacity though, it could still be a fun road car.
Olivera said:
An electric 7 is a fundamentally bad idea for a variety of reasons. Caterham understand their customer base, hence there's no sign of a production EV 7 - they're sensibly putting their efforts into the new Caterham EV sports car instead.
Spot on, and I definitely wouldn't consider an EV 7 either. I am a bit old and grumpy though, and I know exactly what I like to be honest(maybe I'm too narrow minded though?). cerb4.5lee said:
Olivera said:
An electric 7 is a fundamentally bad idea for a variety of reasons. Caterham understand their customer base, hence there's no sign of a production EV 7 - they're sensibly putting their efforts into the new Caterham EV sports car instead.
Spot on, and I definitely wouldn't consider an EV 7 either. I am a bit old and grumpy though, and I know exactly what I like to be honest(maybe I'm too narrow minded though?). 
911Spanker said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Olivera said:
An electric 7 is a fundamentally bad idea for a variety of reasons. Caterham understand their customer base, hence there's no sign of a production EV 7 - they're sensibly putting their efforts into the new Caterham EV sports car instead.
Spot on, and I definitely wouldn't consider an EV 7 either. I am a bit old and grumpy though, and I know exactly what I like to be honest(maybe I'm too narrow minded though?). 
samoht said:
I'd not heard of the 'DACH' markets, but apparently it refers to Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
It's not entirely clear but my understanding here is the specific 485 model is being retired, but other Caterhams continue in continental Europe and Japan.
Anyone know why the supercharged cars can't be sold in those markets?
because LHD configuration will not allow the supercharger to fit.It's not entirely clear but my understanding here is the specific 485 model is being retired, but other Caterhams continue in continental Europe and Japan.
Anyone know why the supercharged cars can't be sold in those markets?
Olivera said:
An electric 7 is a fundamentally bad idea for a variety of reasons. Caterham understand their customer base, hence there's no sign of a production EV 7 - they're sensibly putting their efforts into the new Caterham EV sports car instead.
Interestingly, Westfield appear to be planning on launching an electric 7https://westfield-sportscars.co.uk/blog/developmen...
Burgerbob said:
Interestingly, Westfield appear to be planning on launching an electric 7
https://westfield-sportscars.co.uk/blog/developmen...
I thought Westfield went bankrupt? https://westfield-sportscars.co.uk/blog/developmen...
I couldn't think of anything worse than an EV powered 7. Everyone has to experience a bike engined 7 at least once in their life. There is nothing like it plus running rings around GT3's etc is funny in something that costs buttons.
BricktopST205 said:
I thought Westfield went bankrupt?
I couldn't think of anything worse than an EV powered 7. Everyone has to experience a bike engined 7 at least once in their life. There is nothing like it plus running rings around GT3's etc is funny in something that costs buttons.
And if putting an electric motor in it makes it even better at running rings around other cars? You will still get that sensation of feeling the inner workings of a powerful machine reacting to your inputs and sending power to the road. The noise and vibration will be different, but the attack on your senses might be as good or, heaven forbid, even better.I couldn't think of anything worse than an EV powered 7. Everyone has to experience a bike engined 7 at least once in their life. There is nothing like it plus running rings around GT3's etc is funny in something that costs buttons.
I’d say it’s only a matter of time before that might be the case. Preconceived ideas of how this type of car will feel are exactly that, I’m happy to wait and see.
GT9 said:
And if putting an electric motor in it makes it even better at running rings around other cars? You will still get that sensation of feeling the inner workings of a powerful machine reacting to your inputs and sending power to the road. The noise and vibration will be different, but the attack on your senses might be as good or, heaven forbid, even better.
I’d say it’s only a matter of time before that might be the case. Preconceived ideas of how this type of car will feel are exactly that, I’m happy to wait and see.
The kind of demographic that buy Caterhams do not want an electric powertrain. Exactly the same as the demographic that own 1 litre sports bikes.I’d say it’s only a matter of time before that might be the case. Preconceived ideas of how this type of car will feel are exactly that, I’m happy to wait and see.
This is not Karen in HR looking to spend her tax money on a jelly mould Tesla.
911Spanker said:
subirg said:
Best performance per pound cars on sale today. For the price, nothing comes close.
To a point. I don't think the average 620R driver will be much quicker than if they were in a hot hatch in the wet.Also a used £20k Seven will probably get blow away by plenty of other used £20k stuff.
Fun per pound is a different matter. But that's where the 620R probably loses out to the cheaper models.
BricktopST205 said:
Burgerbob said:
Interestingly, Westfield appear to be planning on launching an electric 7
https://westfield-sportscars.co.uk/blog/developmen...
I thought Westfield went bankrupt? https://westfield-sportscars.co.uk/blog/developmen...
I couldn't think of anything worse than an EV powered 7. Everyone has to experience a bike engined 7 at least once in their life. There is nothing like it plus running rings around GT3's etc is funny in something that costs buttons.
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