Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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Escy said:
interstellar said:
mercedeslimos said:
I saw an update and thought "OK he's stripped the engine out". I didn't expect it to be back up and running. Impressive. Is it a full front-off job or can you hoik it out from above?
He shows it in the video. Take wheels off to drop it lower and drop it in - simples I took a picture when I removed the first engine the first time which shows how close it is. It saves taking the front end off though.
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ks. Well played sir. I am very happy to work on my cars, but you are a whole other ball game. Also, your Mrs must love you dearly, mine hates my many buckets of ste (though she is happy I don't waste it on booze or drugs) and accepts that you love cars or not. At this point, there is something so undeniably satisfying about having a car where you did all the work and no job can beat you. Very firmly in the KEEP camp, you've learned so much about this car (and F-Pace, etc in general) that you know it well. I'm the same with Passat B6s, and if I'm ever in need of a cheap daily, there's only one car on the list I know so well (and having a huge parts horde also helps)Congratulations on getting the old girl running.
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Even We Buy Any Car it….
You will never trust it again, ever knock, cluck or clatter will have you stting yourself.
Lesson learnt …. Get out while you can, and no, not into a Range Rover lol
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Even We Buy Any Car it….
You will never trust it again, ever knock, cluck or clatter will have you s
tting yourself. Lesson learnt …. Get out while you can, and no, not into a Range Rover lol
Wish said:
Congratulations on getting the old girl running.
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Why? he and his wife both like the car and the only part of it which has proven unreliable, has been replaced. He knows the car inside out and selling it will only covert a paper loss to a real one. And any car he replaces it with will also be an unknown quantity. Given his position now, his best bet is to stick with it. Imagine if he sells it and it goes to someone local who runs it without issue for many years to come. How gutting would that be?But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
So many replies, especially considering it's a mundane car.
I've hit over 1000 subscribers on YT and apparently my channel can be monetized now. With the views I get I'll probably owe them money for hosting.
The failure on the last engine is down to the modifications rather than JLR. I don't know for sure but I assume it was the replacement liner(s) which failed but even if they didn't, they were all over bored which is out of JLR spec. The only part of the original engine I kept was the block, what a bad move that turned out to be.
Anything I replace it with is likely to have a few unknown issues lurking.
With all that said, if my life depended on it and I needed to jump in a car and drive 2000 miles across Europe right now, I'd probably take the £1500 BMW 330i which is quite damning for the Jaguar.
I-am-the-reverend said:
Excellent result. Well done!
As an aside, you have an XE gearbox and sump to sell on Ebay plus the useable remains of the old unit - head, crank etc. There must be a grand's worth there.
With lots of oil changes, I suspect the replacement engine will be alright. A tough call though.
I've got some bits to sell to lighten the blow but the head was scrap. There's an abundance of XE gearboxes as the weak point is the engines. It's up for £100 sp basically worth less than the oil that goes in it. That's part of the reason why I was annoyed they lied about it being F-Pace stuff, the F-Pace gearbox and front diff would have netted me the best part of 1k back. As an aside, you have an XE gearbox and sump to sell on Ebay plus the useable remains of the old unit - head, crank etc. There must be a grand's worth there.
With lots of oil changes, I suspect the replacement engine will be alright. A tough call though.
Stick Legs said:
I think this car is perfect for a YouTube channel.
The Jaguar F-Pace content creator, every week a new adventure.
Mat Armstrong needs to buy 3 supercars to generate a similar level of interest.
Maybe it'll eventually pay for itself if it keeps breaking down and I keep making videos on it?! The Jaguar F-Pace content creator, every week a new adventure.
Mat Armstrong needs to buy 3 supercars to generate a similar level of interest.
I've hit over 1000 subscribers on YT and apparently my channel can be monetized now. With the views I get I'll probably owe them money for hosting.
Muzzer79 said:
I'm pleased you got it going again
But I note in the video that you say it's still running quite noisily, coupled with the fact that the engine came from Dodgy-ville.
Please, for the love of God, sell it now. They're nice cars to drive but it's a ticking timebomb.
I'd say it's normal noise wise, I'm just mentally scarred from the old engine and wishing it sounded like a petrol.But I note in the video that you say it's still running quite noisily, coupled with the fact that the engine came from Dodgy-ville.
Please, for the love of God, sell it now. They're nice cars to drive but it's a ticking timebomb.
Jhonno said:
It's now no more or less of a risk than any other F-Pace for sale. Given that his 2nd engine failure was another JLR issue, just goes to highlight.
I agree it represents no more risk than any other F-Pace with 130k on the clock. I'm pretty sure this engine is lower mileage than 130k. The failure on the last engine is down to the modifications rather than JLR. I don't know for sure but I assume it was the replacement liner(s) which failed but even if they didn't, they were all over bored which is out of JLR spec. The only part of the original engine I kept was the block, what a bad move that turned out to be.
Austin_Metro said:
I’m on Team Keepit because this is an excellent thread and Escy’s YouTube presentation skills are top notch too.
Thank you. I can't do the hyped up happy YouTube thing so I'm giving off Eeyore vibes. Muzzer79 said:
The OP must have pumped, what, 16 grand into it including the latest new engine?
There's a 2016 R-Sport in the classifieds, 3 owners, 110k miles up for 13 and a half.
Maybe it is worth keeping and just stripping it for parts if something else goes.
Yeah, I'm at 16,500 now. Not quite the 10k I was optimistically aiming for at the start of the thread.There's a 2016 R-Sport in the classifieds, 3 owners, 110k miles up for 13 and a half.
Maybe it is worth keeping and just stripping it for parts if something else goes.
silentbrown said:
Not *entirely* unknown. It runs well, it's quieter than the old one, it's had new chains fitted, the sump's been off and apparently it looks like it's never been apart before.
I'd have cut my losses and got shot of it rather than stick another engine in - but now it's in and running, it's a different matter: Selling now just crystallizes the losses, and switches you into another moon-mileage car that's truly an unknown.
That's kind of where my thinking is, I had no concerns when looking over the new engine so I'm fairly confident in it. More than I was with the last engine which I said didn't sound right. I always felt a failure was on cards but when it didn't happen after the first few thousand miles I did hope it was just going to be noisy but go on forever. I'd have cut my losses and got shot of it rather than stick another engine in - but now it's in and running, it's a different matter: Selling now just crystallizes the losses, and switches you into another moon-mileage car that's truly an unknown.
Anything I replace it with is likely to have a few unknown issues lurking.
With all that said, if my life depended on it and I needed to jump in a car and drive 2000 miles across Europe right now, I'd probably take the £1500 BMW 330i which is quite damning for the Jaguar.
mercedeslimos said:
By the skin of your bks. Well played sir. I am very happy to work on my cars, but you are a whole other ball game. Also, your Mrs must love you dearly, mine hates my many buckets of ste (though she is happy I don't waste it on booze or drugs) and accepts that you love cars or not. At this point, there is something so undeniably satisfying about having a car where you did all the work and no job can beat you. Very firmly in the KEEP camp, you've learned so much about this car (and F-Pace, etc in general) that you know it well. I'm the same with Passat B6s, and if I'm ever in need of a cheap daily, there's only one car on the list I know so well (and having a huge parts horde also helps)
There's no job that can beat me providing I have a bottomless pit of money! ks. Well played sir. I am very happy to work on my cars, but you are a whole other ball game. Also, your Mrs must love you dearly, mine hates my many buckets of ste (though she is happy I don't waste it on booze or drugs) and accepts that you love cars or not. At this point, there is something so undeniably satisfying about having a car where you did all the work and no job can beat you. Very firmly in the KEEP camp, you've learned so much about this car (and F-Pace, etc in general) that you know it well. I'm the same with Passat B6s, and if I'm ever in need of a cheap daily, there's only one car on the list I know so well (and having a huge parts horde also helps)A.J.M said:
I’m currently using my dad’s E pace with the D180 engine.
It’s a 2019 year and has just over 29k, serviced 1000 miles ago.
Can get a video of it running with bonnet up if you wish to compare noises from an engine with no issues to yours?
I test drove a 2.0D XE when they first came out, I was expecting a paragon of refinement as the Ingenium engine had been raved about in the press etc.It’s a 2019 year and has just over 29k, serviced 1000 miles ago.
Can get a video of it running with bonnet up if you wish to compare noises from an engine with no issues to yours?
However, compared to the 2.0D Golf I had at the time, it sounded terrible, like a Transit or something. Good power though.
skwdenyer said:
Somewhat tangentially, I note that JLR have just fitted what I presume to be a rather highly-stressed three-cylinder turbo into the PHEV Defender in place of the six-pot. Hopefully they’ve learned a thing or two along the way…
They haven’t, the plug-in Defender keeps the four cylinder petrol (but P400e becomes P300e, presumably for emissions) - it’s the six cylinder petrol P400 that’s gone.
LunarOne said:
Wish said:
Congratulations on getting the old girl running.
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Why? he and his wife both like the car and the only part of it which has proven unreliable, has been replaced. He knows the car inside out and selling it will only covert a paper loss to a real one. And any car he replaces it with will also be an unknown quantity. Given his position now, his best bet is to stick with it. Imagine if he sells it and it goes to someone local who runs it without issue for many years to come. How gutting would that be?But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
t. To put it bluntly.Jhonno said:
LunarOne said:
Wish said:
Congratulations on getting the old girl running.
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Why? he and his wife both like the car and the only part of it which has proven unreliable, has been replaced. He knows the car inside out and selling it will only covert a paper loss to a real one. And any car he replaces it with will also be an unknown quantity. Given his position now, his best bet is to stick with it. Imagine if he sells it and it goes to someone local who runs it without issue for many years to come. How gutting would that be?But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
t. To put it bluntly.LunarOne said:
Jhonno said:
LunarOne said:
Wish said:
Congratulations on getting the old girl running.
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Why? he and his wife both like the car and the only part of it which has proven unreliable, has been replaced. He knows the car inside out and selling it will only covert a paper loss to a real one. And any car he replaces it with will also be an unknown quantity. Given his position now, his best bet is to stick with it. Imagine if he sells it and it goes to someone local who runs it without issue for many years to come. How gutting would that be?But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
t. To put it bluntly.I'm certainly not about to say they are the bastion of reliability, but I do think the failures are blown out of proportion and on PH people just keep pointing towards this thread as a warning against buying one, despite the fact that if Escy had gone ahead with an engine replacement right at the start, rather than a rebuild, he'd probably still be happily bombing about in a prefectly reliable F-Pace. We wouldn't have had this roller coaster of a thread though
Pablo16v said:
LunarOne said:
Jhonno said:
LunarOne said:
Wish said:
Congratulations on getting the old girl running.
But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
Why? he and his wife both like the car and the only part of it which has proven unreliable, has been replaced. He knows the car inside out and selling it will only covert a paper loss to a real one. And any car he replaces it with will also be an unknown quantity. Given his position now, his best bet is to stick with it. Imagine if he sells it and it goes to someone local who runs it without issue for many years to come. How gutting would that be?But now is the time to stick it in auction and cut your losses.
t. To put it bluntly.I'm certainly not about to say they are the bastion of reliability, but I do think the failures are blown out of proportion and on PH people just keep pointing towards this thread as a warning against buying one, despite the fact that if Escy had gone ahead with an engine replacement right at the start, rather than a rebuild, he'd probably still be happily bombing about in a prefectly reliable F-Pace. We wouldn't have had this roller coaster of a thread though
Are they prone to problems? Yes
Does the problem affect the majority of them? No.
As in life generally, people are far more likely to volunteer negative experiences than positive ones.
Limpet said:
It's a bit like the K-series HGF thing.
Are they prone to problems? Yes
Does the problem affect the majority of them? No.
As in life generally, people are far more likely to volunteer negative experiences than positive ones.
That is a bad analogy to use. Speaking as someone who works in the engine industry, the original K-Series head gasket, dowel alignment, oil feed system is so utterly piss poor, it should have not have made its way on to a CAD screen, leave alone off it on to drawings!Are they prone to problems? Yes
Does the problem affect the majority of them? No.
As in life generally, people are far more likely to volunteer negative experiences than positive ones.
Megaflow said:
That is a bad analogy to use. Speaking as someone who works in the engine industry, the original K-Series head gasket, dowel alignment, oil feed system is so utterly piss poor, it should have not have made its way on to a CAD screen, leave alone off it on to drawings!
They were state of the art in terms of design and performance though (when working) - just a shame they were plagued with issues! Megaflow said:
That is a bad analogy to use. Speaking as someone who works in the engine industry, the original K-Series head gasket, dowel alignment, oil feed system is so utterly piss poor, it should have not have made its way on to a CAD screen, leave alone off it on to drawings!
I’m not sure how much modern-day-recognisable CAD there was in 1984 I’m not sure CADDS could handle something as complex as a whole engine, could it?The value would be in the life lesson for me and the fun of doing it although I appreciate second time round probably wasn’t much fun.
Get shot it’s a bad engine with a when not if countdown. No matter how good the car is it’s a massive thorn to live with although I suppose if anyone can live with it it’s gona be you as you can fix it yourself.
Get shot it’s a bad engine with a when not if countdown. No matter how good the car is it’s a massive thorn to live with although I suppose if anyone can live with it it’s gona be you as you can fix it yourself.
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