Adobe Flash: Should It Be Allowed To Live?

[philthy]

beakr said:

rpguk said:

there is not anything for rich media that replaces it yet

It's not far off: http://jilion.com/sublime/video

Very very nice!
Just showed me how slow my graphics are on this old lappy though

[PJ S]

zac510 said:

Game in Javascript/HTML5:

http://dougx.net/plunder/plunder.html

Crap! Slow, and unplayable in Safari.

[Dracoro]

PJ S said:

zac510 said:

Game in Javascript/HTML5:

http://dougx.net/plunder/plunder.html

Crap! Slow, and unplayable in Safari.

Can move up/down but Z won't fire. (using Safari on a Mac)...

[zac510]

Fine for on Windows computers but I get the impression it's a proof of concept more than anything. I thought the 'we don't need Flash' attitude was apt for this thread.

[theboyfold]

Nice use of HTML 5 here

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/

[PJ S]

Bit crap that - opens five or six tabs in Safari.
Bloody stupid nonsense doing that.

[theboyfold]

PJ S said:

Bit crap that - opens five or six tabs in Safari.
Bloody stupid nonsense doing that.

Give it a go in Chrome...

[ZesPak]

Blue Meanie said:

jazzybee said:

I mean blocking any new programs available for the iphone and ipad must now only be developed through Apple approved software

You can develop whatever programs you want, but if apple are going to sell it through the apple store, then I think they have every right to ensure those apps won't ruin the experience, with either crashes, draining battery life woefully, etc, because by putting them in the app store, they are taking part of the responsibility for it.

No, you can't.

There is no way to install a program NOT going through the apple store. So this text above is utter BS.

[Dracoro]

Unless they jailbreak (horrid word) it....

[Ordinary_Chap]

ZesPak said:

Blue Meanie said:

jazzybee said:

I mean blocking any new programs available for the iphone and ipad must now only be developed through Apple approved software

You can develop whatever programs you want, but if apple are going to sell it through the apple store, then I think they have every right to ensure those apps won't ruin the experience, with either crashes, draining battery life woefully, etc, because by putting them in the app store, they are taking part of the responsibility for it.

No, you can't.

There is no way to install a program NOT going through the apple store. So this text above is utter BS.

I think the word blue meanie is looking for is dictatorship.

It's why in my view the Android platform is so much better, its effectively a supercharged and derestricted version of Apple's world.

I have several Android devices and the full flash mobile expereince is very good, I like being able to watch content on websites I go too with my phone.

[CommanderJameson]

PJ S said:

Bit crap that - opens five or six tabs in Safari.
Bloody stupid nonsense doing that.

I thought it was ace. Bit of art. Bit of technology.

(It wants to open new windows. You can control that in the preferences.)

[PJ S]

theboyfold said:

PJ S said:

Bit crap that - opens five or six tabs in Safari.
Bloody stupid nonsense doing that.

Give it a go in Chrome...

Nope, not the least bit interested in Chrome. Nor Opera for that matter either.
Same for Thunderbird, and Omniweb, and whatever else has been made for OS X web browsing.
Safari (and Firefox as a back-up) is more than sufficient for my needs.

[PJ S]

CommanderJameson said:

PJ S said:

Bit crap that - opens five or six tabs in Safari.
Bloody stupid nonsense doing that.

I thought it was ace. Bit of art. Bit of technology.

(It wants to open new windows. You can control that in the preferences.)

Art? Having the mute and pause buttons on a new tab/window is arty?
So that's where Apple et al, have gone wrong!

What happens then - bit of video in each tab/window?
Wow, sublime bit of tech there.....erm remind me again how that's of any use to man or beast?

Sorry CJ, I think someone has logged into your account who shouldn't have, and posted some random words that were running around their head.
You should change your password to stop that happening again.

[CommanderJameson]

PJ S said:

Wow, sublime bit of tech there.....erm remind me again how that's of any use to man or beast?

In the manner of cutting a skylark's throat to see what makes it sing:

The various windows have bits of video in for the song, and then other windows have some arty Google Maps/StreetView zoomage of the place you put in at the beginning.

It sounds st when put like that, but I thought it worked well.

[thinfourth2]

theboyfold said:

Nice use of HTML 5 here

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/

Very impressive in chrome

BUT

and its a big BUT

If i navigate to a website looking for information and i am presented with some flashy animated pile of pap that tells me nothing i will bugger off and go to another site. i think that anyone designing a website for a company should be given a 5 year old PC and a dial-up connection and be told make it work on that. i don't want flashy wibbliy stuff i want information.

And for that reason and that reason alone FLASH must DIE

[ZesPak]

thinfourth2 said:

theboyfold said:

Nice use of HTML 5 here

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/

Very impressive in chrome

BUT

and its a big BUT

If i navigate to a website looking for information and i am presented with some flashy animated pile of pap that tells me nothing i will bugger off and go to another site. i think that anyone designing a website for a company should be given a 5 year old PC and a dial-up connection and be told make it work on that. i don't want flashy wibbliy stuff i want information.

And for that reason and that reason alone FLASH must DIE

Bullocks, there are hundreds of sites without flash but full of animated gifs, on a red background with blue letters.
The fact that the technology can be used by idiots points that it should die.

That's like saying the CAR must DIE because some idiots don't know how to indicate/aren't aware of other road users.

[pistonlager]

ZesPak said:

thinfourth2 said:

theboyfold said:

Nice use of HTML 5 here

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/

Very impressive in chrome

BUT

and its a big BUT

If i navigate to a website looking for information and i am presented with some flashy animated pile of pap that tells me nothing i will bugger off and go to another site. i think that anyone designing a website for a company should be given a 5 year old PC and a dial-up connection and be told make it work on that. i don't want flashy wibbliy stuff i want information.

And for that reason and that reason alone FLASH must DIE

Bullocks, there are hundreds of sites without flash but full of animated gifs, on a red background with blue letters.
The fact that the technology can be used by idiots points that it should die.

That's like saying the CAR must DIE because some idiots don't know how to indicate/aren't aware of other road users.

I don't think an idiot could build a flash animation let alone an all flash site.
I don't like flash personally, far too time consuming for very little gain.
Little movies before a site loads is a massive turn off and although they can look
very good and impress the client, a BIG turn off as Thinfourth said 'i don't want flashy wibbliy stuff i want information'.
So yes, Flash must die.

[ZesPak]

pistonlager said:

I don't think an idiot could build a flash animation let alone an all flash site.
I don't like flash personally, far too time consuming for very little gain.
Little movies before a site loads is a massive turn off and although they can look
very good and impress the client, a BIG turn off as Thinfourth said 'i don't want flashy wibbliy stuff i want information'.
So yes, Flash must die.

1) Maybe I'm not an idiot, but I worked with flash since I was 13. Oh the horrors I put out!
2) That's your opinion, and some browsers (FF, Chrome,...) have plugins to block them and they work very good (giving you a "click here to open flash option)
3) That's a time and a place imho, yes they can look out of place or be very annoying. Yet I'd much rather see "Comic Sans MS" die than flash, as it's (to me) a lot more overused and annoying. As for flash, imho it still has it's place on some sites (ex a lot of car brands' websites look very slick and good, and a lot of them use flash)

[Murph7355]

Ordinary_Chap said:

.... derestricted version of Apple's world.....

"Derestricted" doesn't necessarily mean "better" for the vast majority of people.

The Windows world would likely be a lot more pleasant if there were more control over what is allowed to run on the OS. Far, far too many very poor applications out there that cause no end of issues. And they only exist because mongs are allowed to pump out poor code without any checks and measures.

(Flash? Probably had its day. 99% of the times it's used it didn't need to be, and/or adds to the irritation factor on a site.)

[Ordinary_Chap]

Murph7355 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

.... derestricted version of Apple's world.....

"Derestricted" doesn't necessarily mean "better" for the vast majority of people.

The Windows world would likely be a lot more pleasant if there were more control over what is allowed to run on the OS. Far, far too many very poor applications out there that cause no end of issues. And they only exist because mongs are allowed to pump out poor code without any checks and measures.

(Flash? Probably had its day. 99% of the times it's used it didn't need to be, and/or adds to the irritation factor on a site.)

How is Windows any different than OSX? I've experienced plenty of app crashes on all of the platforms.

"Derestricted" doesn't necessarily mean "better" for the vast majority of people"

That statement is as vague as it is pointless.