Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 3

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

davepoth said:

No. As it turns out they had exactly as much representation as the banks in Scotland that print funny money do.

http://qje.oxfordjournals.org/content/42/2/263.abs...

I'd love to google what happened in the years between 1922 and the dissolution of the currency union but I'm watching a modern classic Segal film...

Do you even know when that latter date was?!

<sound of Google cranking in background...>

Why would I need google when davepoth provided a handy link?

Thought you were too busy whacking off to how hard Steven Segal is?

Casual homophobia now?

Your definition of homophobia needs revised somewhat, young man!

It appeared that you may have been suggesting that my point of view was less valid because my masturbation was influenced by someone of my gender.

Seems homophobic enough to me.

If that's not the case, I apologise and fully retract my allegations of subconscious homophobia.

[WhereamI]

Comparing the current Scottish situation to the historic Irish one displays breathtaking ignorance of the disparity between the economic conditions both were facing/do face. Irish Independence was not far short of a century ago before the days when currencies, debt etc. were traded - the complexities and interdependencies are so many time greater today that it is laughable to compare the two.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

davepoth said:

No. As it turns out they had exactly as much representation as the banks in Scotland that print funny money do.

http://qje.oxfordjournals.org/content/42/2/263.abs...

I'd love to google what happened in the years between 1922 and the dissolution of the currency union but I'm watching a modern classic Segal film...

Do you even know when that latter date was?!

<sound of Google cranking in background...>

Why would I need google when davepoth provided a handy link?

Thought you were too busy whacking off to how hard Steven Segal is?

Casual homophobia now?

Your definition of homophobia needs revised somewhat, young man!

It appeared that you may have been suggesting that my point of view was less valid because my masturbation was influenced by someone of my gender.

Seems homophobic enough to me.

No, I was suggesting that you had inferred that you hadn't time to time to research the issue as you were too busy enjoying Steven Segal...

[WhereamI]

ViperPict said:

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

You are not dealing with a business though! It would be in BoE's interests to consider the situation in Scotland, at least to the ~10% degree.

Whether it is a business or not the reality is that given a conflict they would take the action that best suits the UK.

Ownership of the BoE is a red herring though, the issues revolve around questions like who is the lender of last resort and what real interest rates would scotland experience?

But as a nationalist surely the main question is why would you argue for something that ensures that you are not independent? If you want independence then be independent.

It is really all just more 'the sky is falling' nonsense.

As with many other independence situations, initial currency union made perfect sense.

We'd be just fine, I'm quite sure of that. And perhaps we'd end up being lesser UK's very wealthy little brother..

VP earlier:

[ViperPict]

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

You are not dealing with a business though! It would be in BoE's interests to consider the situation in Scotland, at least to the ~10% degree.

Whether it is a business or not the reality is that given a conflict they would take the action that best suits the UK.

Ownership of the BoE is a red herring though, the issues revolve around questions like who is the lender of last resort and what real interest rates would scotland experience?

But as a nationalist surely the main question is why would you argue for something that ensures that you are not independent? If you want independence then be independent.

It is really all just more 'the sky is falling' nonsense.

As with many other independence situations, initial currency union made perfect sense.

We'd be just fine, I'm quite sure of that. And perhaps we'd end up being lesser UK's very wealthy little brother..

VP earlier:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

No, I was suggesting that you had inferred that you hadn't time to time to research the issue as you were too busy enjoying Steven Segal...

See later edit.

Now, fairness.

Define, or leave nebulous, so we cannot understand your position?

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

I know you are but what's yer maw.

[WhereamI]

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

Of course you would, but it's not unionists who are answering 'I'm sure it will all be fine' without understanding the issues in the first place.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

I know you are but what's yer maw.

I'm sorry, I do not speak Weegie. Can you translate?

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

I know you are but what's yer maw.

I'm sorry, I do not speak Weegie. Can you translate?

Weegie? "Yer maw" is not Weegie.

You're not really Scottish, are you?

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

I know you are but what's yer maw.

I'm sorry, I do not speak Weegie. Can you translate?

Weegie? "Yer maw" is not Weegie.

You're not really Scottish, are you?

It is.

I would consider myself Pictish... First Scottish independence then we'll set up the Pictish Free State!

[simoid]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-polit...

"Extraordinarily complex", "like building an NHS" and "firms will face bankruptcy."

I don't think the pensions issue is going away any time soon.

And Edinburger promised to explain how an independent Scotland is in a better place to provide state, public and private sector pensions. That should be interesting.

[TheHeretic]

ViperPict said:

It is.

I would consider myself Pictish... First Scottish independence then we'll set up the Pictish Free State!

What, pray tell, do you do that remains from Pictish times, that no-one else does?

[ViperPict]

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

Of course you would, but it's not unionists who are answering 'I'm sure it will all be fine' without understanding the issues in the first place.

More accurately an innate understanding of how the mutual adjustment of complex non-linear processes will operate rather than simply 'I'm sure it will all be fine' per se. But, in essence, you are correct.

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

More accurately an innate understanding of how the mutual adjustment of complex non-linear processes will operate rather than simply 'I'm sure it will all be fine' per se. But, in essence, you are correct.

Quit your trolling with the complex systems nonsense. We, including you, all know it's entirely irrelevant.

Fairness? Definition? Thought not. SOVP.

[Rollin]

ViperPict said:

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

I rather think this is most Unionists...

Of course you would, but it's not unionists who are answering 'I'm sure it will all be fine' without understanding the issues in the first place.

More accurately an innate understanding of how the mutual adjustment of complex non-linear processes will operate rather than simply 'I'm sure it will all be fine' per se. But, in essence, you are correct.

Is that what you tell people when you go knocking on doors spreading the independence message?

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

More accurately an innate understanding of how the mutual adjustment of complex non-linear processes will operate rather than simply 'I'm sure it will all be fine' per se. But, in essence, you are correct.

Quit your trolling with the complex systems nonsense. We, including you, all know it's entirely irrelevant.

Fairness? Definition? Thought not. SOVP.

Dullard! Just because your brain cannot understand it does not mean it is not relevant. You are continually spouting ste regarding the minutiae of the issue, not seeing the larger processes. Classic blinkered deterministic Aristotlean logic! Made all the more worrying given you teach!!!

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

More accurately an innate understanding of how the mutual adjustment of complex non-linear processes will operate rather than simply 'I'm sure it will all be fine' per se. But, in essence, you are correct.

Quit your trolling with the complex systems nonsense. We, including you, all know it's entirely irrelevant.

Fairness? Definition? Thought not. SOVP.

Dullard! Just because your brain cannot understand it does not mean it is not relevant. You are continually spouting ste regarding the minutiae of the issue, not seeing the larger processes. Classic blinkered deterministic Aristotlean logic! Made all the more worrying given you teach!!!

Dullard? No need to resort to the insults. I understand your position perfectly.

Why do you want independence if nothing will change?

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

More accurately an innate understanding of how the mutual adjustment of complex non-linear processes will operate rather than simply 'I'm sure it will all be fine' per se. But, in essence, you are correct.

Quit your trolling with the complex systems nonsense. We, including you, all know it's entirely irrelevant.

Fairness? Definition? Thought not. SOVP.

Dullard! Just because your brain cannot understand it does not mean it is not relevant. You are continually spouting ste regarding the minutiae of the issue, not seeing the larger processes. Classic blinkered deterministic Aristotlean logic! Made all the more worrying given you teach!!!

Why do you want independence if nothing will change?

This is more disingenuous Unionist clap-trap that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker. Nothing will change? Really?!

You keep banging on about 'uncertainty' as to independence except seem to be very certain when the rhetoric suits. So subjective! I wonder why... You need to raise the intellectual bar SOSO!

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

This is more disingenuous Unionist clap-trap that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker. Nothing will change? Really?!

You keep banging on about 'uncertainty' as to independence except seem to be very certain when the rhetoric suits. So subjective! I wonder why... You need to raise the intellectual bar SOSO!

What have I said is certain? Only the certainties.

If you were less of a dullard, you'd see where I was coming from with this

So things WILL change after independence. We don't know how they will change, do we?