UKIP - The Future

[MX7]

eharding said:

Which derogatory terms, in which particular context?

The Urban Dictionary said:

"Kipper" - A pejorative term...

Hmmm.

[eharding]

brenflys777 said:

I put eharding in to the urban dictionary and got a link to spoors treatment.. Weird.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spo...

That's very odd - those search terms don't seem to give the same response here....unless, of course, you're just talking 'Kipper Kobblers

A search for UKIP does however return...

The Urban Dictionary said:

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP.

Which I suspect is incorrect.

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

[BliarOut]

eharding said:

brenflys777 said:

I put eharding in to the urban dictionary and got a link to spoors treatment.. Weird.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spo...

That's very odd - those search terms don't seem to give the same response here....unless, of course, you're just talking 'Kipper Kobblers

A search for UKIP does however return...

The Urban Dictionary said:

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP.

Which I suspect is incorrect.

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

Whereas others have. Could it be because you insult people that they react? Surely not?

Show me a single racist UKIP supporter on this thread. Are you up to the challenge?

[mrpurple]

eharding said:

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

I say old bean would you mind kindly not posting those awfully insulting remarks about us nice kipper people? there's a good chap.. kindest regards MrPurple

[eharding]

BliarOut said:

eharding said:

brenflys777 said:

I put eharding in to the urban dictionary and got a link to spoors treatment.. Weird.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spo...

That's very odd - those search terms don't seem to give the same response here....unless, of course, you're just talking 'Kipper Kobblers

A search for UKIP does however return...

The Urban Dictionary said:

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP.

Which I suspect is incorrect.

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

Whereas others have. Could it be because you insult people that they react? Surely not?

Show me a single racist UKIP supporter on this thread. Are you up to the challenge?

Unlike Eric Kitson, your average PH 'Kipper does manage to keep those tendencies under control - and I'll accept that some of them are genuinely not given to the full-on crypto-fascist persuasion.

However, the simple act of making a reference to the reprehensible activities of the likes of Kitson clearly induces such a degree of foaming-keyboard-turbo-bile from the PH 'Kipper usual suspects that it does seem as if it touches upon a very raw 'Kipper nerve.

[Art0ir]

eharding said:

BliarOut said:

eharding said:

brenflys777 said:

I put eharding in to the urban dictionary and got a link to spoors treatment.. Weird.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spo...

That's very odd - those search terms don't seem to give the same response here....unless, of course, you're just talking 'Kipper Kobblers

A search for UKIP does however return...

The Urban Dictionary said:

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP.

Which I suspect is incorrect.

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

Whereas others have. Could it be because you insult people that they react? Surely not?

Show me a single racist UKIP supporter on this thread. Are you up to the challenge?

Unlike Eric Kitson, your average PH 'Kipper does manage to keep those tendencies under control - and I'll accept that some of them are genuinely not given to the full-on crypto-fascist persuasion.

However, the simple act of making a reference to the reprehensible activities of the likes of Kitson clearly induces such a degree of foaming-keyboard-turbo-bile from the PH 'Kipper usual suspects that it does seem as if it touches upon a very raw 'Kipper nerve.

Still avoiding the Labour-Paedophilia connections?

[McWigglebum4th]

I see the children are carrying on the playground debate about who smells the most


Anyway


I was told that a vote for UKIP is a wasted vote.

it appears that currently the tory party is tying itself in knots and is about to st out a referendum bill.

Does anyone actually think this would of happened without the UKIP vote?

As lets face it the majority of tory voters only vote tory to keep labour out which means I have more chance of influencing tory party policy with a vote for UKIP then i ever would with a vote for tory.


But in all of this I must say I think Cameron is too stupid and too vain to see that the easiest way to remove UKIP from the picture is to add a "None of the above" option to the ballet paper.

As i would certainly pick "None of the above" over of the big 3 or the lib dems

[PugwasHDJ80]

TTwiggy said:

Previous said:

TTwiggy said:

This, for me, lies at the heart of why I'd never give my vote to the party. For some reason, it seems to attract these sorts of people. This should be a concern for anyone who supports Ukip.

Im a floating voter, currently likely to support UKIP next time around.

The trend for racists to not only support, but to become candidates for, this party concerns me greatly. Aside the obvious, its clearly damaging the credibility of the party.

I'd like to be involved in politics. However previous life choices mean that that I've enough skeletons to ensure that given a role in the public eye I'd likely be damaging to any organisation I represent, regardless that my life, and my actions may have vastly changed since (Nothing too bad I hasten to add, but only takes a failed effort to get rid of speeding points to end political careers...).

If these people truly support any party they claim to, then they should step down and allow someone else the chance if they know they are likely to be 'outed' with evidence of inappropriate views.

Thank you. This is all I was trying to drive at. I really don't understand the level of invective on this thread.

Both of you are spot on- but it has nothing to do with UKIP but everything to do with policitcs in general- the main three have far worse records of people with questionable views of ethics.

[FiF]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

TTwiggy said:

Previous said:

TTwiggy said:

This, for me, lies at the heart of why I'd never give my vote to the party. For some reason, it seems to attract these sorts of people. This should be a concern for anyone who supports Ukip.

Im a floating voter, currently likely to support UKIP next time around.

The trend for racists to not only support, but to become candidates for, this party concerns me greatly. Aside the obvious, its clearly damaging the credibility of the party.

I'd like to be involved in politics. However previous life choices mean that that I've enough skeletons to ensure that given a role in the public eye I'd likely be damaging to any organisation I represent, regardless that my life, and my actions may have vastly changed since (Nothing too bad I hasten to add, but only takes a failed effort to get rid of speeding points to end political careers...).

If these people truly support any party they claim to, then they should step down and allow someone else the chance if they know they are likely to be 'outed' with evidence of inappropriate views.

Thank you. This is all I was trying to drive at. I really don't understand the level of invective on this thread.

Both of you are spot on- but it has nothing to do with UKIP but everything to do with policitcs in general- the main three have far worse records of people with questionable views of ethics.

Frankly I agree with TTwiggy, the fact that some people like this have escaped the net worries me, and it also is of concern that people like Kitson are actually even attracted to a party which does everything it can to distance itself from such views. I suppose if one throws enough mud some of it sticks.

As mentioned before the bile and invective on this thread is incredible, and is, I fear, an indication that the next General Election will be fought right down in the gutter. Have we really descended to US style, ignore the real arguments and fight on personalities and smears? There will surely be some skeletons dragged out from all parties. Be careful what you wish for, is my advice.

If the arguments, such as they are, presented by the likes of eharding is a foretaste then God help us all. To present the evidence of what that particularly poster denies would take up so much room, estimated more than 50% of what he's posted on this thread, that it would be waste of bandwidth and time. If that makes me lazy, then guilty as charged. Quite pleased not to be wasting my time in the gutter with the likes of that.

Note, I don't generally vote UKIP, didn't in the recent elections, but can understand why people do. It really does seem, as someone said above, that a vote for UKIP changes Tory policy more effectively than, say, working from the inside trying to deal with the spineless waste of skin that is Cameron.

[BliarOut]

eharding said:

BliarOut said:

eharding said:

brenflys777 said:

I put eharding in to the urban dictionary and got a link to spoors treatment.. Weird.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spo...

That's very odd - those search terms don't seem to give the same response here....unless, of course, you're just talking 'Kipper Kobblers

A search for UKIP does however return...

The Urban Dictionary said:

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP.

Which I suspect is incorrect.

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

Whereas others have. Could it be because you insult people that they react? Surely not?

Show me a single racist UKIP supporter on this thread. Are you up to the challenge?

Unlike Eric Kitson, your average PH 'Kipper does manage to keep those tendencies under control - and I'll accept that some of them are genuinely not given to the full-on crypto-fascist persuasion.

However, the simple act of making a reference to the reprehensible activities of the likes of Kitson clearly induces such a degree of foaming-keyboard-turbo-bile from the PH 'Kipper usual suspects that it does seem as if it touches upon a very raw 'Kipper nerve.

If you deliberately troll you should expect to get a reaction. I assume this is why you do it?

[einsign]

eharding said:

militant fundamentalist wing

[Globs]

eharding said:

Globs said:

It's all he's got.

• He can't discuss the EU because he is backing a party determined to stay in it.
• He can't discuss wind subsidy farms, the modern way of killing the elderly through fuel poverty and giving their money to rich landowners to despoil the countryside and increase pollution.
• He can't discuss immigrations or the next hundred thousand romanians who will turn up next year to pillage this sleeping country of rich pickings.
• He can't even discuss any renegotiation of CAP, our fees or our EU 'relationship' because Cameron blew them all.
• He can't discuss the huge number of new housing developments going up over the green countryside either, to try and house everyone in europe into the southeast of the UK.
• He can't discuss the use of the NHS - where 25-50% of all births are now to parents born outside of the UK.

He can only press home Cameron's shining achievement of Gay Marriage, something not required and not wanted by many gay couple who now feel their civil partnerships are second class, let alone the other, ignored 99% of the population and the huge damage it does to the church in the UK.

This is why be talks about what's inside my trousers and continues digging for dirt to sprinkle into the recipe of vitriol and insults.

He is a cretin and a traitor, attacking those working to restore democracy and self determination to the UK, and working to save lives and move to a sustainable and reliable energy policy. He runs around our ankles yapping and bleating reminding me of Gollum.

More impotent drivel and references to my tackle

You really are obsessed aren't you boy?
Now you have managed to waste more UKIP pages with your embarrassing crap why don't you try discussing some of the issues you are so desperate to avoid?

[rudecherub]

eharding said:

A search for UKIP does however return...

The Urban Dictionary said:

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP.

Which I suspect is incorrect.

I've yet to encounter a polite 'Kipper on PH.

They used to say "people tar others with their own brush", meaning they judge others motives by their own.

To recognise a gentle-person you'd first need to possess good manners as a frame of reference, without the same it would be impossible to distinguish appropriate behaviour from ill mannered buffoonery.

Such a fellow could encounter many a gentleman and gentlewoman in every sphere of life but remain ignorant of them.

This example of faulty thinking also serves as an illustrative parable of what is fundamentally wrong with current Conservative administration.

While it is true that a definition for UKIP exists within the Urban Dictionary " "UKIP"- The polite man's BNP." It is only a partial truth, which is of course evil intents most effective kind of lie.

The whole truth is that the Urban Dictionary ( for what it's worth ) works on the basis of a popular vote - the 'best' definition ie the one which carries the most weight, is ranked first, others follow. The least have a negative rating, ie more readers have voted them down than up.

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP. is one such voted down into negative territory definitions.

This illustrates both eharding in particular and Conservative Administration approach in general - ignore the voter, ignore the vote, ignore reality, and spin half truths to score cheap points.

[Andy Zarse]

Guam said:

rudecherub said:

They used to say "people tar others with their own brush", meaning they judge others motives by their own.

To recognise a gentle-person you'd first need to possess good manners as a frame of reference, without the same it would be impossible to distinguish appropriate behaviour from ill mannered buffoonery.

Such a fellow could encounter many a gentleman and gentlewoman in every sphere of life but remain ignorant of them.

This example of faulty thinking also serves as an illustrative parable of what is fundamentally wrong with current Conservative administration.

While it is true that a definition for UKIP exists within the Urban Dictionary " "UKIP"- The polite man's BNP." It is only a partial truth, which is of course evil intents most effective kind of lie.

The whole truth is that the Urban Dictionary ( for what it's worth ) works on the basis of a popular vote - the 'best' definition ie the one which carries the most weight, is ranked first, others follow. The least have a negative rating, ie more readers have voted them down than up.

"UKIP"- The polite man's BNP. is one such voted down into negative territory definitions.

This illustrates both eharding in particular and Conservative Administration approach in general - ignore the voter, ignore the vote, ignore reality, and spin half truths to score cheap points.

It's worth considering the likely demographic of who votes on the revolting Urban Dictionary. Would-be comedians who think they're funny? Lefties who still think they are students? People with an abnormal interest in scatology? Which of these descriptions don't apply to Mr E R Din?

[MX7]

eharding said:

Unlike Eric Kitson, your average PH 'Kipper does manage to keep those tendencies under control - and I'll accept that some of them are genuinely not given to the full-on crypto-fascist persuasion.

What the hell?

So some are flat-out racists, but they just haven't outed themselves?

How would you feel if I claimed that you were a paedophile who just hasn't been caught yet? What an astoundingly fking stupid and arrogant thing to say.

If the only way you can attack people who support UKIP is by guessing their true motives I suggest that you let it pass you by, because it's such a dumb position to take that the only possible outcome is that you'll make yourself look a complete tool.

"Welcome to the Damian McBride School of Debate."

[AshVX220]

FiF said:

Frankly I agree with TTwiggy, the fact that some people like this have escaped the net worries me, and it also is of concern that people like Kitson are actually even attracted to a party which does everything it can to distance itself from such views. I suppose if one throws enough mud some of it sticks.

As mentioned before the bile and invective on this thread is incredible, and is, I fear, an indication that the next General Election will be fought right down in the gutter. Have we really descended to US style, ignore the real arguments and fight on personalities and smears? There will surely be some skeletons dragged out from all parties. Be careful what you wish for, is my advice.

If the arguments, such as they are, presented by the likes of eharding is a foretaste then God help us all. To present the evidence of what that particularly poster denies would take up so much room, estimated more than 50% of what he's posted on this thread, that it would be waste of bandwidth and time. If that makes me lazy, then guilty as charged. Quite pleased not to be wasting my time in the gutter with the likes of that.

Note, I don't generally vote UKIP, didn't in the recent elections, but can understand why people do. It really does seem, as someone said above, that a vote for UKIP changes Tory policy more effectively than, say, working from the inside trying to deal with the spineless waste of skin that is Cameron.

As I've said numerous times, it is far more important how the party deal with such people when they're uncovered. Instead of spinning like mad, trying desperately to initiate damage control etc, that we see from the other parties. UKIP remove the problem.

As has been mentioned before in this very thread, the rise of UKIP is un-precedented in the UK. A party that rises so quickly has such limited resources that they can't check every member. But they'll have the resources one day and I expect that such characters wil become increasingly rare within UKIP.

As for the concerns that UKIP attracts such people, I actually blame the media, when discussing UKIP they constantly refer to them as far right (which most of us understand to be wrong). This will attract far right thinkers, without the whit or intelligence to understand what UKIP really stands for.

Above all though, is the very real view that UKIP are an anti-establishment party. They (we) have had enough of the current crop of politicians, who've never worked in the real world, distance themselves from the real world and live in there little Westminster bubble. Sticking their fingers in their ears and singing "la-la-la, I'm not listening". This again, will attract anti-establishment people, some of which are anti-establishment because they've always been angry at the establishment.

The most important aspect is how UKIP deal with those which do not share the party view and have only joined because they [wrongly] see UKIP as far right or because they just want to have a bit of power in an "anti-establishment" party.

[MX7]

Kitson gone.

[mrpurple]

I have absolutely no problem with racists being exposed and kicked out of politics as long as the same sort of scrutiny is undertaken of ALL politicians at ALL levels of ALL and ANY political party. This should also apply to other areas which are deemed to be illegal not just racism.

Anyone know what the latest is with Dianne Abbott's apparent indiscretion?

[Andy Zarse]

eharding said:

'Kipper...

'Kipper nerve.

[Mr Snap]

mrpurple said:

I have absolutely no problem with racists being exposed and kicked out of politics as long as the same sort of scrutiny is undertaken of ALL politicians at ALL levels of ALL and ANY political party. This should also apply to other areas which are deemed to be illegal not just racism.

Anyone know what the latest is with Dianne Abbott's apparent indiscretion?

Are you referring to this? - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/15/diane-a...

Sounds like there's some good sense on what she's saying.

And, if anyone does have problems with what she's saying, let's try kicking the ball and not the player...