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I'll try to find the video, it's on the evo YT channel.
He's sitting in the drivers seat, praising the pedal layout and demonstrates the technique of blipping with his right foot and using his left on clutch/brake. I'd never seen thid before so started a thread asking if I'd been doing it wrong for all these years!
He's sitting in the drivers seat, praising the pedal layout and demonstrates the technique of blipping with his right foot and using his left on clutch/brake. I'd never seen thid before so started a thread asking if I'd been doing it wrong for all these years!
BaronVonVaderham said:
Genuinely curious about this and have been reading up and attempting to practise. With what's said above, is it possible at all? Or only if one really wants to stop in a hurry?
Anyone else heel & toeing in a Clio 200 or similar?
I have a 197. I heel and toe when I'm driving quickly. Takes a bit of getting used to but it's so rewarding when you do.Anyone else heel & toeing in a Clio 200 or similar?
Lefty said:
I'll try to find the video, it's on the evo YT channel.
He's sitting in the drivers seat, praising the pedal layout and demonstrates the technique of blipping with his right foot and using his left on clutch/brake. I'd never seen thid before so started a thread asking if I'd been doing it wrong for all these years!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...He's sitting in the drivers seat, praising the pedal layout and demonstrates the technique of blipping with his right foot and using his left on clutch/brake. I'd never seen thid before so started a thread asking if I'd been doing it wrong for all these years!
Car anorak par excellence, but he is doing heel and toe the proper way.
This way has worked for me for 40 years. Works in single seater race cars, rally cars and road cars.
Only problem is is wears the right hand part of the pedal rubbers first.
On the other hand, I don't have to twist my leg and ankle like some sort of semi deformed person.
Edited to add: Must get onto the valeter, carpet needs a vacuuming...
Only problem is is wears the right hand part of the pedal rubbers first.
On the other hand, I don't have to twist my leg and ankle like some sort of semi deformed person.
Edited to add: Must get onto the valeter, carpet needs a vacuuming...
good pics! I can't do it like that as my foot needs to be more on the brake to be comfortable. So I have to launch the side/heel of my foot at the throttle and hope for the best. Mind you the radical is best as it has a little man that sits with the engine. And he blips the throttle with his hand when you pull the ikkle leaver 
Bert
Bert
BertBert said:
good pics! I can't do it like that as my foot needs to be more on the brake to be comfortable. So I have to launch the side/heel of my foot at the throttle and hope for the best. Mind you the radical is best as it has a little man that sits with the engine. And he blips the throttle with his hand when you pull the ikkle leaver
Bert
Try it, its really comfy . It also has the advantage of being super fast when you need to plant it back on the gas which is where all the fun is at anyway! Bert
andygo said:
Try it, its really comfy . It also has the advantage of being super fast when you need to plant it back on the gas which is where all the fun is at anyway!
I've tried, lots and lots!Here's someone who seems quite good at it. But he's overlapping quite badly and riding the clutch from what I can see
http://youtu.be/cig06FhiQmE
Bert
I've been trying to learn how to HT just out of curiosity. What I've found is that most of the time I'm not on the brakes for long enough to fit in a gearchange, especially given that I'm braking more firmly than usual because that makes it easier to blip the throttle at the same time.
Is this a common problem?
Is this a common problem?
Dr Jekyll said:
I've been trying to learn how to HT just out of curiosity. What I've found is that most of the time I'm not on the brakes for long enough to fit in a gearchange, especially given that I'm braking more firmly than usual because that makes it easier to blip the throttle at the same time.
Is this a common problem?
When learning, yes. But most likely you aren't going fast enough to need to brake that much for a corner. That's probably for the best anyway. Is this a common problem?
The way I did it was to learn when doing really big stops - coming off the motorway, or dual carriageway roundabouts. Obviously do it when nobody else is around, but start slowing down early, change all the way down through the box to second, and coast up to the line slowly. As you get more proficient, you can leave less of a gap to the junction. You'll also find you can fit in the shifts more on the open road.
Dr Jekyll said:
I've been trying to learn how to HT just out of curiosity. What I've found is that most of the time I'm not on the brakes for long enough to fit in a gearchange, especially given that I'm braking more firmly than usual because that makes it easier to blip the throttle at the same time.
Is this a common problem?
H&T works best combined with totally unnecessary downshifts Is this a common problem?
Dr Jekyll said:
What I've found is that most of the time I'm not on the brakes for long enough to fit in a gearchange
How long do you need?!With practice you'll be able to snick briskly down through the gears under braking (I'm assuming that you ordinarily rev-match your shifts anyway).
As suggested, practice where you are slowing from speed for a roundabout or the like.
When you get the hang of it you'll be carving your way along your favourite Alpine pass, listening to Matt Monro, smoothly braking and shifting down into the right gear at the right rpm on the curving approach to that tight, downhill hairpin all in one fluid movement. Women will swoon and men will respect you.
ps. the IAM and Rospa will dis-own you.
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 21st April 22:02
BertBert said:
I've tried, lots and lots!
Here's someone who seems quite good at it. But he's overlapping quite badly and riding the clutch from what I can see
http://youtu.be/cig06FhiQmE
Bert
That's exactly how I heel and toe, I just enjoy doing it Here's someone who seems quite good at it. But he's overlapping quite badly and riding the clutch from what I can see
http://youtu.be/cig06FhiQmE
Bert
I also relish blipping on the (usually unnecessary) down changes. Just love the sound of the blip
http://youtu.be/N8YkJnQ35Wk
Hello, considering that the term 'advanced driving' (a complete misnomer in many cases as far as the people who display 'that badge' are concerned) relates to people who drive to the IAM or RoADAR method, ie: Roadcraft, and Roadcraft pushes the idea of separating out the phases of the system (the often quoted, brake gear overlap)...
I have a couple of questions regarding H&T...
1)Surely this thread is in the wrong place?
2)If not how does the H&T thing sit with IAM/RoADAR?
3)Is it, in the view of IAM/RoADAR members (from their own perspective) a safe technique for amateurs to be attempting on public roads?
4)What would be the view of a TrafPol if there's one out there, to an accident where H&T was being used? (completely theoretical because IMO drivers using H&T on-road would be omitting that detail in court)...
As a background to this, I did Brisca F1 and F2 years ago and I can use the technique, I just don't use it on-road even when driving crash-box. I prefer to show real skill and not use the clutch and brake at all, this'll soon show any rev-matching faults up.
Without me being patronising, can someone please inform me of H&T's merits on-road, especially it's legality...
I have a couple of questions regarding H&T...
1)Surely this thread is in the wrong place?
2)If not how does the H&T thing sit with IAM/RoADAR?
3)Is it, in the view of IAM/RoADAR members (from their own perspective) a safe technique for amateurs to be attempting on public roads?
4)What would be the view of a TrafPol if there's one out there, to an accident where H&T was being used? (completely theoretical because IMO drivers using H&T on-road would be omitting that detail in court)...
As a background to this, I did Brisca F1 and F2 years ago and I can use the technique, I just don't use it on-road even when driving crash-box. I prefer to show real skill and not use the clutch and brake at all, this'll soon show any rev-matching faults up.
Without me being patronising, can someone please inform me of H&T's merits on-road, especially it's legality...
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