No global warming since 1998
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AJS- said:
Welshbeef said:
Other things I'd say is we notice how weather is impacting us more and more regardless of your beliefs of climate change or not. We are getting more frequent extreme weather situations be it flooding snow high wind and also really very few summer days.
That's true. I think every day between 1978 and about 1988 was sunny, except for a few with snow, and only one windy day that I can remember. It seemed to change quite a lot when I was about 10...(Which, as sod's law would have it, was when I started walking to school)
BryanUsrey said:
Scientists are on both sides of the coin on this and the media just reports whatever they have available, confusing everybody. I never liked the term global warming. Climate change is much better IMO.
I wonder why? Global warming is a specific prediction, climate change covers pretty much anything. Hotter, colder, floods, droughts, winds, all blamed on climate change. I remember a climate change scientist warning that the current generation of UK children would grow up without seeing snow, and another who warned that East Anglia was a semi-arid zone and that, in an every warming country, we all had to learn to use less water because it was a precious and finite resource. Funnily enough, there's been plenty of snow and rain in recent times, not much warmth though...
Weather and climate are different.
Climate is long term 'average' record of the daily weather. People so seem to confuse variations in weather as being changes in climate. In my view climate should be viewed in decades, or really centuries of trends. The shorter term 'changes' are just noise on the graphs.
For instance march this year was on average over 5c colder than last year on my records. Does that mean the climate changed? Does it b
ks. It just means last year we had dry warm weather and cold wet this year...
Climate is long term 'average' record of the daily weather. People so seem to confuse variations in weather as being changes in climate. In my view climate should be viewed in decades, or really centuries of trends. The shorter term 'changes' are just noise on the graphs.
For instance march this year was on average over 5c colder than last year on my records. Does that mean the climate changed? Does it b
ks. It just means last year we had dry warm weather and cold wet this year...BryanUsrey said:
I never liked the term global warming.
Strangely, all the alarmists came to the same conclusion when it became obvious that "global warming" was bks. "Climate change", as a meaningless term, could be anything, and is thus so much harder to disprove.Still, seemingly Al Gore has f
ked off, so it's not all bad news. 
Guam said:
and should refund our taxes.
That implies they have some method of generating some income... you know unlike from our taxes, so they'd tax us to pay back taxes, oh wait....Best to just shut them all down, altogether and forever. It would surely be cheaper in the long run to just have them all on the dole.
c7xlg said:
Weather and climate are different.
Climate is long term 'average' record of the daily weather. People so seem to confuse variations in weather as being changes in climate. In my view climate should be viewed in decades, or really centuries of trends. The shorter term 'changes' are just noise on the graphs.
For instance march this year was on average over 5c colder than last year on my records. Does that mean the climate changed? Does it bks. It just means last year we had dry warm weather and cold wet this year...
One thing I have been unable to find is what is/was the average earth temperature over the last say million years.Climate is long term 'average' record of the daily weather. People so seem to confuse variations in weather as being changes in climate. In my view climate should be viewed in decades, or really centuries of trends. The shorter term 'changes' are just noise on the graphs.
For instance march this year was on average over 5c colder than last year on my records. Does that mean the climate changed? Does it b
ks. It just means last year we had dry warm weather and cold wet this year...Welshbeef said:
A few points.
2. We do not know how finely balanced the situation is in that our little extra could push things over the edge - we can speculate either way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordovician2. We do not know how finely balanced the situation is in that our little extra could push things over the edge - we can speculate either way.
This seems to indicate that 485 million years ago the CO2 levels were 15x what they are now. How does that tie up with the greenhouse gas global warming theory.
And earth temperature was 2C above present levels, perhaps we are just returning to normal, from a previous cold patch.
At the end of the Ordovician period with all that CO2 we went into an ice age.
voyds9,
I think you are finding the problems with this whole climate change lark. We studied it a little at university (17 years ago so I'm a little out of date). Lots of work was/is done on trying to find good climate records from the past. These can be done from things like ice core samples, where the different proportions of isotopes (O) are a good indicator of mean sea-surface temperature, or coral growth records.
What these have show are massive continual changes in climate, and going back way way before man existed in any significant way. So quite how we got to the position of 'scientists' trying to use 1-40 year trends in weather/climate as total evidence for mans impact on the planets long term climate I don't know.
The fact that getting funding (or published) for any project that was not looking to re-enforce the 'anthropogenic global warming' message has been virtually impossible for the last decade or so could be part of it.
I think you are finding the problems with this whole climate change lark. We studied it a little at university (17 years ago so I'm a little out of date). Lots of work was/is done on trying to find good climate records from the past. These can be done from things like ice core samples, where the different proportions of isotopes (O) are a good indicator of mean sea-surface temperature, or coral growth records.
What these have show are massive continual changes in climate, and going back way way before man existed in any significant way. So quite how we got to the position of 'scientists' trying to use 1-40 year trends in weather/climate as total evidence for mans impact on the planets long term climate I don't know.
The fact that getting funding (or published) for any project that was not looking to re-enforce the 'anthropogenic global warming' message has been virtually impossible for the last decade or so could be part of it.
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