Star Trek - Into Darkness "WITH SPOILERS"
Discussion
Streps said:
Very strange with Kronos already apparently screwed from Praxis exploding.
The scenes were deleted from the first film but are on the DVD/Blu Ray releases
http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2009/10/29/jj-abrams-st...
Oh and regards Benedict Looking very white European for Khan, probably done so as to not telegraph the plot. If he was a suntanned middle eastern looking type everyone would have know what the film was about.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 21st May 21:25
Guvernator said:
I have to say I am really liking the more physical direction they seem to be taking with this iteration of Spock, proving that he's not just a science geek but able to kick a** with the best of them too. I loved how he beat Kirk so comprehensively in the first film too as it changes the dynamic of their relationship.
The one thing I'm not so sure of yet is the very much more apparent shows of emotion for new Spock. Honestly he is like a hormonal women most of the time and it's a bit too much I feel. I think I prefered the more logical, cold and calculating Spock of old who only showed emotions very rarely under situations of extreme duress.
I suspect it might have something to do with the destruction of Vulcan. One thing I like is the fact that JJ Abrams has shown the Vulcans as a race who specifically repress their emotions, rather than (as seemed to be occasionally hinted at in the TV series) one who had effectively bred emotion out of themselves over the course of hundreds of years.The one thing I'm not so sure of yet is the very much more apparent shows of emotion for new Spock. Honestly he is like a hormonal women most of the time and it's a bit too much I feel. I think I prefered the more logical, cold and calculating Spock of old who only showed emotions very rarely under situations of extreme duress.
Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
Twincam16 said:
I suspect it might have something to do with the destruction of Vulcan. One thing I like is the fact that JJ Abrams has shown the Vulcans as a race who specifically repress their emotions, rather than (as seemed to be occasionally hinted at in the TV series) one who had effectively bred emotion out of themselves over the course of hundreds of years.
Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
Ah yes I forgot that little detail and now that you mention it, it certainly makes sense as to why he is so much more emotional in this version. I think they should have empathised that point a bit more clearly though as I'm not the only one who is a little perplexed at Spocks emotional outbreaks.Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
I do like how things are similar BUT subtly different in the reboots. The book of the first film actually goes on about the universe\timeline trying to correct itself and get "back on track" which goes some way to explaining a lot of the coincidences which occur, strange that they seem to have completely ignored this in the films?
Guvernator said:
Twincam16 said:
I suspect it might have something to do with the destruction of Vulcan. One thing I like is the fact that JJ Abrams has shown the Vulcans as a race who specifically repress their emotions, rather than (as seemed to be occasionally hinted at in the TV series) one who had effectively bred emotion out of themselves over the course of hundreds of years.
Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
Ah yes I forgot that little detail and now that you mention it, it certainly makes sense as to why he is so much more emotional in this version. I think they should have empathised that point a bit more clearly though as I'm not the only one who is a little perplexed at Spocks emotional outbreaks.Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
I do like how things are similar BUT subtly different in the reboots. The book of the first film actually goes on about the universe\timeline trying to correct itself and get "back on track" which goes some way to explaining a lot of the coincidences which occur, strange that they seem to have completely ignored this in the films?
If we're dealing with a universe that has fundamentally changed but only since the destruction of Vulcan, and Into Darkness was the events of Space Seed taking place within a universe with a more militaristic Federation, then where was the SS Botany Bay?
Khan and his followers were jetissoned into space on the Botany Bay in the late '90s until they were found by Kirk. In this version it suggests they never left the Solar System in the first place. But the timeline has only been changed from the destruction of Vulcan onwards, so how come they weren't on the Botany Bay? Unless Admiral Marcus specifically went out there looking for it on some covert mission, and brought them back to Jupiter, but it never says that.
It's a pity, as when Scotty commandeers a shuttle, enters the Jupiter base, looks up at something and goes 'Holy s
t!', I was expecting him to come face-to-face with the Botany Bay.Twincam16 said:
It's a pity, as when Scotty commandeers a shuttle, enters the Jupiter base, looks up at something and goes 'Holy s
t!', I was expecting him to come face-to-face with the Botany Bay.It might have been there but all Scotty was interested in was the Dreadnought Class ship
Twincam16 said:
Guvernator said:
Twincam16 said:
I suspect it might have something to do with the destruction of Vulcan. One thing I like is the fact that JJ Abrams has shown the Vulcans as a race who specifically repress their emotions, rather than (as seemed to be occasionally hinted at in the TV series) one who had effectively bred emotion out of themselves over the course of hundreds of years.
Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
Ah yes I forgot that little detail and now that you mention it, it certainly makes sense as to why he is so much more emotional in this version. I think they should have empathised that point a bit more clearly though as I'm not the only one who is a little perplexed at Spocks emotional outbreaks.Without Vulcan, Spock can never complete Kohlinar, and so can never truly get rid of his emotions.
I do like how things are similar BUT subtly different in the reboots. The book of the first film actually goes on about the universe\timeline trying to correct itself and get "back on track" which goes some way to explaining a lot of the coincidences which occur, strange that they seem to have completely ignored this in the films?
If we're dealing with a universe that has fundamentally changed but only since the destruction of Vulcan, and Into Darkness was the events of Space Seed taking place within a universe with a more militaristic Federation, then where was the SS Botany Bay?
Khan and his followers were jetissoned into space on the Botany Bay in the late '90s until they were found by Kirk. In this version it suggests they never left the Solar System in the first place. But the timeline has only been changed from the destruction of Vulcan onwards, so how come they weren't on the Botany Bay? Unless Admiral Marcus specifically went out there looking for it on some covert mission, and brought them back to Jupiter, but it never says that.
It's a pity, as when Scotty commandeers a shuttle, enters the Jupiter base, looks up at something and goes 'Holy s
t!', I was expecting him to come face-to-face with the Botany Bay.Marcus specifically says that due to the lose of Vulcan and new threats they never considered such as Nero, that the Federation has expanded and explored much further into space than they had previously planned. He then says it was on one these deeper space missions that Khan and his followers were discovered on an old forgotten Earth sleeper ship, he woke Khan and put him to use.
Or maybe I had imagined the whole thing.
MiniMan64 said:
I must have been the only person actually listening to any dialogue during the film!
Marcus specifically says that due to the lose of Vulcan and new threats they never considered such as Nero, that the Federation has expanded and explored much further into space than they had previously planned. He then says it was on one these deeper space missions that Khan and his followers were discovered on an old forgotten Earth sleeper ship, he woke Khan and put him to use.
Or maybe I had imagined the whole thing.
No I head him talk about the discovery of Kahn's ship (presumably the Botany Bay, but not named) as well.Marcus specifically says that due to the lose of Vulcan and new threats they never considered such as Nero, that the Federation has expanded and explored much further into space than they had previously planned. He then says it was on one these deeper space missions that Khan and his followers were discovered on an old forgotten Earth sleeper ship, he woke Khan and put him to use.
Or maybe I had imagined the whole thing.
It all makes sense. In the new time line events are different and Kahn was simply found earlier by different people.
davidf4 said:
No I head him talk about the discovery of Kahn's ship (presumably the Botany Bay, but not named) as well.
It all makes sense. In the new time line events are different and Kahn was simply found earlier by different people.
Still doesn't explain why Khan is now a white Englishman. It all makes sense. In the new time line events are different and Kahn was simply found earlier by different people.
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