Tv Licence Man

[sc0tt]

Thoughts on this guys?

2 Gents being a pain in the arse or rightfully standing up for their rights?

Its a bit long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRQTkOk__48

[Cyberprog]

Being an arse IMHO. The TVL have a warrant to enter, and they wasted more time arguing than they'd have if they just let them in.

That said, I wouldn't let em in without a warrant either - and there would be serious complaints if they did enter with one!

[Fartomatic5000]

They don't force entry and neither do the police with a TVL warrant, so just close the door and they will go away.

[Papa Hotel]

sc0tt said:

Thoughts on this guys?

2 Gents being a pain in the arse or rightfully standing up for their rights?

Its a bit long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRQTkOk__48

I think they stood up for their rights without descending to the abuse and depths of self-righteous bks that we often see in these videos.

They didn't start hurling obscenities and insults around and apart from an invocation of Godwin's Law, they were perfectly respectful, if a little off-the-wall.

Good on them, the whole episode was a shameful reflection of big-boy bully tactics so often employed by the "authorities" with the use of police officers to add credibility to these self-styled enforcers particularly distasteful.

[Mojocvh]

Best bit is it's being outsourced to India, well apart from the footwork.

HoHum

[iheartmygt35r]

i dont understand they had a warrent but didnt go in? am i missing something

[Papa Hotel]

iheartmygt35r said:

i dont understand they had a warrent but didnt go in? am i missing something

You're missing nowt. It seems the warrant isn't worth anything. It gave them little more than permission to seek permission from the homeowner to enter. They didn't get permission from the homeowner and toddled off.

[Fozziebear]

Poor preparation from Capita's legal team. Standard for them to be honest, at least the homeowner stood his ground.

[Motorrad]

Fozziebear said:

Poor preparation from Capita's legal team. Standard for them to be honest, at least the homeowner stood his ground.

I thought TVL was a civil matter rather than criminal so like the bailiff they cannot force entry (obviously they can for criminal stuff like unpaid fines, taxes etc). So it's simply a case of telling them to fk off. I could be wrong though.

[surveyor]

I didn't think it was illegal to have a tv? Just to watch live TV?

[Motorrad]

surveyor said:

I didn't think it was illegal to have a tv? Just to watch live TV?

It isn't although the nice TVL people have been documented saying that it is.

I've seen video of them claiming a satellite dish on the side of the house is 'proof' the householder is watching live TV.

I presume it's only little old ladies or the terminally confused who'd actually let these people into their houses whether they were watching live tv or not.

[Fozziebear]

surveyor said:

I didn't think it was illegal to have a tv? Just to watch live TV?

Yep, illegal to watch live broadcast TV on any equipment that can receive it, if witnessed by a Capita TVL officer and you sign the statement they take. Their site states:-


A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment (e.g. TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and DVD/VHS recorders) to watch or record television programmes, as they are being shown on TV. This applies regardless of which television channels a person receives or how those channels are received. The licence fee is not a payment for BBC services (or any other television service), although licence fee revenue is used to fund the BBC.
The requirement to hold a TV Licence and to pay a fee for it is mandated by law under the Communications Act 2003 and Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (as amended). It is an offence to watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on any channel and on any broadcast platform (terrestrial, satellite, cable and the internet) without a valid TV Licence.
Legislation on television licensing is available from the Office of Public Sector Information website. TV Licensing - Legislation and policy on our website outlines the most relevant legislative provisions.

So if your curtains are open and you let them in your fair game.

[Jonny_]

Interesting.

I think they were fortunate to be visited by a very laid-back copper.

Wonder how accurate their take on the law actually was.

(Nice Rascal camper too!)

[Motorrad]

Jonny_ said:

Interesting.

I think they were fortunate to be visited by a very laid-back copper.

Wonder how accurate their take on the law actually was.

(Nice Rascal camper too!)

The Police are there only to prevent a breach of the peace. They aren't the ones executing the warrant and the TVL goons (as I understand it) have no power whatsoever to force entry.

Personally I wouldn't even talk to TVL other than to tell them to get the fk off my property and inform them through the door they won't be coming in.

[Fozziebear]

Motorrad said:

Jonny_ said:

Interesting.

I think they were fortunate to be visited by a very laid-back copper.

Wonder how accurate their take on the law actually was.

(Nice Rascal camper too!)

The Police are there only to prevent a breach of the peace. They aren't the ones executing the warrant and the TVL goons (as I understand it) have no power whatsoever to force entry.

Personally I wouldn't even talk to TVL other than to tell them to get the fk off my property and inform them through the door they won't be coming in.

Just inform them you are removing their right of access to your property, explain they are to leave and not to return as you will call the police and make a formal complaint of harassment. All the TVL bods have been told to leave if the property owner tells them this, it then gets passed to a manager who try's to bury it under a mountain of paperwork. TVL and Capita don't have the time or man power to cope with it.

[Motorrad]

Fozziebear said:

Just inform them you are removing their right of access to your property, explain they are to leave and not to return as you will call the police and make a formal complaint of harassment. All the TVL bods have been told to leave if the property owner tells them this, it then gets passed to a manager who try's to bury it under a mountain of paperwork. TVL and Capita don't have the time or man power to cope with it.

Easier to pick on little old ladies no doubt.

Having stated before they have no power of forced entry I went away and did a little reading. Turns out they do but don't use it and the Police enter the property first.

I imagine in this case it got this far because the two blokes were 'freeman on the land' nutters who wanted it to go this way so they could have some fun.

I think the best course of action if visited by TVL is to just slam the door in their faces from the off.

[Red 4]

Motorrad said:

I thought TVL was a civil matter rather than criminal so like the bailiff they cannot force entry

It's (minor) criminal - triable at Magistrates Court

[Red Devil]

The bit that concerns me is the very first words uttered by the police Sergeant.
" Hello there, um, we're here with colleagues from the TV..."

Oh, really? So TVL (aka Caipta pl, a private company) are now a branch of the police? I don't think so. The Sergeant was totally out of order (and rather out of his depth as well judging by the rest of the video).

I wonder what evidence was put to the Justice of the Peace to justify the issuing that warrant. TVL are very adept as being economical with the truth. If you want any confirmation of the lengths that they are prepared to go to, read this.

[Pontoneer]

Fozziebear said:

Yep, illegal to watch live broadcast TV on any equipment that can receive it, if witnessed by a Capita TVL officer and you sign the statement they take. Their site states:-


A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment (e.g. TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and DVD/VHS recorders) to watch or record television programmes, as they are being shown on TV. This applies regardless of which television channels a person receives or how those channels are received. The licence fee is not a payment for BBC services (or any other television service), although licence fee revenue is used to fund the BBC.
The requirement to hold a TV Licence and to pay a fee for it is mandated by law under the Communications Act 2003 and Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (as amended). It is an offence to watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on any channel and on any broadcast platform (terrestrial, satellite, cable and the internet) without a valid TV Licence.
Legislation on television licensing is available from the Office of Public Sector Information website. TV Licensing - Legislation and policy on our website outlines the most relevant legislative provisions.

So if your curtains are open and you let them in your fair game.

Except to say that UK TVL are not competent to licence reception of TV broadcasts originating outwith the UK and not up linked to a satellite from within the UK - hence if you are Johnny Foreigner and watching TV broadcasts from your home country via a non-UK satellite then it has nothing whatsoever to do with UK authorities .

[Mojooo]

Red Devil said:

The bit that concerns me is the very first words uttered by the police Sergeant.
" Hello there, um, we're here with colleagues from the TV..."

Oh, really? So TVL (aka Caipta pl, a private company) are now a branch of the police? I don't think so. The Sergeant was totally out of order (and rather out of his depth as well judging by the rest of the video).

I wonder what evidence was put to the Justice of the Peace to justify the issuing that warrant. TVL are very adept as being economical with the truth. If you want any confirmation of the lengths that they are prepared to go to, read this.

The Police will assist any organisation that has a valid warrant - they will usually be there to prevent a breach of the peace.

I imagine a lot more breaches would happen if they forced entry

The JOTP should be satisfied with the evidence provided to them - obviously if they were deceived thw warrant can be quashed after the event by judicial review