Simon's silly question of the day.
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Hi all,
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I'm watching Road Wars (because I'm cool). The police have come across a chap riding a mini-motorbike. Now, cop number one gets out of his car and tells the geezer (nice black fella, no trouble) that the bikes aren't legal to be used on the road. He then proceeds to suggest that the rider is committing an offence by not being insured and not having a tax disc.
My question is this:
Since the mini-moto isn't road legal in it's original state (ie, it was never meant to be ridden on the road, it was designed to be used off road) and no amount of numberplates, tax disks and insurance will ever make it road legal, is the rider actually committing the offences of no tax, no insurance etc?
Simon.
I'm back!
I'm watching Road Wars (because I'm cool). The police have come across a chap riding a mini-motorbike. Now, cop number one gets out of his car and tells the geezer (nice black fella, no trouble) that the bikes aren't legal to be used on the road. He then proceeds to suggest that the rider is committing an offence by not being insured and not having a tax disc.
My question is this:
Since the mini-moto isn't road legal in it's original state (ie, it was never meant to be ridden on the road, it was designed to be used off road) and no amount of numberplates, tax disks and insurance will ever make it road legal, is the rider actually committing the offences of no tax, no insurance etc?
Simon.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ferrariF50lover said:
and no amount of numberplates, tax disks and insurance will ever make it road legal,
Why not. Number plates, indicators, brake lights etc. I'm sure a half decent mechanic could have one road legal pretty easily. TwigtheWonderkid said:
ferrariF50lover said:
and no amount of numberplates, tax disks and insurance will ever make it road legal,
Why not. Number plates, indicators, brake lights etc. I'm sure a half decent mechanic could have one road legal pretty easily. 
yellowjack said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ferrariF50lover said:
and no amount of numberplates, tax disks and insurance will ever make it road legal,
Why not. Number plates, indicators, brake lights etc. I'm sure a half decent mechanic could have one road legal pretty easily. yellowjack said:
Because the regulatory system is framed in such a way that they will NEVER be permitted to be registered and insured for use on the road. Try it. You won't get past square one (DVLA). It's the way the authorities want it to be. And for bloody good reason. Mini-motos are toys, nothing more, nothing less. Cool toys, or silly toys, depends upon your own opinion, but big boys' toys. That is all.
I'm curious : what , specifically , would prevent one of these machines from being made road legal ?Grenoble]errariF50lover said:
the geezer (nice black fella, no trouble) /quote]
Out of interest, what does the colour of his skin have anything to do with it?
I was describing the person who was riding the mini-motorcycle. He was a chap, he was perfectly nice to the policemen who stopped him and he was black. What don't you understand?Out of interest, what does the colour of his skin have anything to do with it?
Simon.
I see, so, it's possible for something to be a mechanically propelled vehicle (and thus be required to be insured/taxed etc if used on the road) while simultaneously not being road legal. If, for example, I fit a simple engine/driveshaft system to a shopping trolley such that it moves under its own power, then drive it on the road, I am driving with no tax/insurance, despite the fact that the "vehicle" I'm driving isn't really a vehicle at all (by which I mean it isn't a Ford Focus, or some other car as we ordinarily understand the term)?
This is interesting.
Simon.
This is interesting.
Simon.
ferrariF50lover said:
I see, so, it's possible for something to be a mechanically propelled vehicle (and thus be required to be insured/taxed etc if used on the road) while simultaneously not being road legal. If, for example, I fit a simple engine/driveshaft system to a shopping trolley such that it moves under its own power, then drive it on the road, I am driving with no tax/insurance, despite the fact that the "vehicle" I'm driving isn't really a vehicle at all (by which I mean it isn't a Ford Focus, or some other car as we ordinarily understand the term)?
This is interesting.
Simon.
Not really. The definition is set in law. The fact that it is a very broad term allows such loopholes to be avoided, and people to exploit them.This is interesting.
Simon.
ferrariF50lover said:
I was describing the person who was riding the mini-motorcycle. He was a chap, he was perfectly nice to the policemen who stopped him and he was black. What don't you understand?
Simon.
The relevance of his skin colour to any part of the statement or discussion. I doubt that you would have said, "white chap, nice", etc....Simon.
Grenoble said:
The relevance of his skin colour to any part of the statement or discussion. I doubt that you would have said, "white chap, nice", etc....
How do you know he wouldn't have said that? There is enough racism about as it is, please don't look for it where there wasn't any intended.The policeman was white. They're all white on that show, never seen a black copper on there. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a black policeman anywhere.
There is no direct relevance. However, being black is a significant distinguishing feature. England is a white country, we have no native black population. I wouldn't have mentioned it had the guy been white because that is what one would reasonably expect an Englishman to be. Equally, if I was talking about a man from Ghana, I would not make specific mention of a black man, but I would make mention of a white man, because it would not be the norm. I'd also have mentioned it if he had been Down's Syndrome, a dwarf, Rastafarian, or dressed in women's clothing.
Simon.
There is no direct relevance. However, being black is a significant distinguishing feature. England is a white country, we have no native black population. I wouldn't have mentioned it had the guy been white because that is what one would reasonably expect an Englishman to be. Equally, if I was talking about a man from Ghana, I would not make specific mention of a black man, but I would make mention of a white man, because it would not be the norm. I'd also have mentioned it if he had been Down's Syndrome, a dwarf, Rastafarian, or dressed in women's clothing.
Simon.
ferrariF50lover said:
The policeman was white. They're all white on that show, never seen a black copper on there. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a black policeman anywhere.
There is no direct relevance. However, being black is a significant distinguishing feature. England is a white country, we have no native black population. I wouldn't have mentioned it had the guy been white because that is what one would reasonably expect an Englishman to be. Equally, if I was talking about a man from Ghana, I would not make specific mention of a black man, but I would make mention of a white man, because it would not be the norm. I'd also have mentioned it if he had been Down's Syndrome, a dwarf, Rastafarian, or dressed in women's clothing.
Simon.
Here we go a can of worms and all unneccessary. Genoble and deeen get over it. I am 'brown' and have been called a spick, wog, and pakki (should that be with a 'y'?) amongst other things. He was black. People draw all sorts of stereotypes from colour rightly or wrongly. It sets the scene. Perhaps they should pixellate out his colour.There is no direct relevance. However, being black is a significant distinguishing feature. England is a white country, we have no native black population. I wouldn't have mentioned it had the guy been white because that is what one would reasonably expect an Englishman to be. Equally, if I was talking about a man from Ghana, I would not make specific mention of a black man, but I would make mention of a white man, because it would not be the norm. I'd also have mentioned it if he had been Down's Syndrome, a dwarf, Rastafarian, or dressed in women's clothing.
Simon.
Pip
rigga said:
Doubt even then it would comply to construction and use regs
I have a mate who is building a road legal electric bike, from the remains of a road legal TZ250. He is doing this to avoid having to go through a IVA or SVA or whatever it is now. IIRC he has a target of 100 mph top speed and a 160 mile range.
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