RE: Loeb fastest at first Pikes Peak test

[CraigyMc]

Baryonyx said:

CraigyMc said:

If you're talking road cars, that's a different story obviously.

This is it really, and the fact that they seem to be saying "we're back!" as opposed to just quietly being a major player in Le Mans racing and seeing Citroen dominate WRC (which also had next to no impact on their road cars).

There are people inside PSA who are into cars in the way you'd want, and they do make pretty decent engines already (that 1.6 turbo petrol gets everywhere!).

For me it's a shame their focus is so much on China, a place with no appetite for interesting cars (yet).

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[Baryonyx]

The Mini Cooper S's supercharged and turbocharged engines were Peugeot engines, weren't they? Undoubtedly the best thing about that car. Yes, I suspected deep within PSA there was still a pulse, buried far beneath the corporate nose...

[CraigyMc]

Baryonyx said:

The Mini Cooper S's supercharged and turbocharged engines were Peugeot engines, weren't they? Undoubtedly the best thing about that car. Yes, I suspected deep within PSA there was still a pulse, buried far beneath the corporate nose...

The 1.6 turbo petrol is a hybrid of PSA and BMW - those engines run valvetronic, for example, which is pure BMW stuff. The rest is mostly PSA.
The same engine is in the 1 and 3 series these days, which is indicative of how fundamentally decent it is.

The PSA 1.6 diesel is in everything from MINIs to Fords to Volvos, Mazdas and I think a few other things (Suzuki?), as well as obviously the PSA brands.

Thinking about it, PSA engines find their way under the bonnets of lots of cars, and you can't really say that about the other great manufacturers of engines (eg. BMW or Honda).

PSA have a crap reputation for turning out dross in the UK, which I think is valid. It doesn't mean they aren't exceptionally good engineers misdirected by crap leaders.

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[Will83]

CraigyMc said:

Found these times from today (16th) on the Peugeot Sport twitter feed ( https://twitter.com/peugeotsport )
Sadly, they also note "Millen, Dayraut, Dumas, etc. Not here."

Run 1: 4.41.46.
Run 2: 4.36.75.

Given those times are about a minute off from where he was last time, I suspect it was bad weather.

By the way, on my travels I found that live timing is available from livetiming.net/ppihc.com

C

I have a feeling the times above are for half the route of the course and a greater distance than the route in the first tests ( so not comparable). I spoke with the one of the PPIHC reps on Facebook who suggested they hadn't covered the entire course during the first tyre tests despite the sections being labelled 'upper' and 'lower'.

Based upon what I've seen and heard I reckon on race day Loeb will go between 5 and 7 seconds a mile quicker than Millen achieved last year in his Genesis coupe. If its 5 seconds per mile quicker it would bring him in about 8 minutes 50 seconds. If 7 seconds per mile quicker his time will be about 8 mins 25 seconds.

Just pure guess work of course! What do you guys think???

[Will83]

I've seen some footage of the electric cars testing and they all seem to have a siren attached, presumably to help spectators know they're coming due to the lack of engine noise!! Sounds pretty naff to me, they don't look that quick either....

[CraigyMc]

Will83 said:

I have a feeling the times above are for half the route of the course and a greater distance than the route in the first tests ( so not comparable). I spoke with the one of the PPIHC reps on Facebook who suggested they hadn't covered the entire course during the first tyre tests despite the sections being labelled 'upper' and 'lower'.

It might have been earlier in this thread (I wrote much the same earlier). Upper+Lower doesn't = full course.

On the other hand, Peugeot ran the full course alone on Friday (12.4 miles) and didn't release any times, ostensibly because it was a test. I suspect they don't want to let on what they are really capable of for marketing/timing reasons.

Loeb's car is running on bespoke tyres designed for purpose. It's glued to the track...

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[Skater12]

Am I the only one who'd love a crack at going down the hill in one of these??
Soapbox Derby / Gravity racer downhill !

[TobyLaRohne]

Skater12 said:

Am I the only one who'd love a crack at going down the hill in one of these??
Soapbox Derby / Gravity racer downhill !

best idea ever! Redbull - Pikes Peak Soapbox Derby

[Skater12]

TobyLaRohne said:

Skater12 said:

Am I the only one who'd love a crack at going down the hill in one of these??
Soapbox Derby / Gravity racer downhill !

best idea ever! Redbull - Pikes Peak Soapbox Derby

My thoughts exactly!
eco-friendly, and it could attract loads of US universities and maybe some manufacturers like the Goodwood one did with Lotus and Bentley.
Redbull would definitely get all over this idea. ( you heard it here first though )

[callmedave]

Skater12 said:

Am I the only one who'd love a crack at going down the hill in one of these??
Soapbox Derby / Gravity racer downhill !

The 'tykes trough' ?

Fantastic idea!

[Skater12]

callmedave said:

Skater12 said:

Am I the only one who'd love a crack at going down the hill in one of these??
Soapbox Derby / Gravity racer downhill !

The 'tykes trough' ?

Fantastic idea!

I reckon it'd need to be a serious event, attracting big name brands etc.

[CraigyMc]

You better make sure the soapboxes are based on proper rollcages.

Can you imagine the consequences of something poorly engineered falling over the edge up near the top?

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[CraigyMc]

DCLXIV said:

Simon Pagenaud wanted to enter an Indycar this year, but a single seater roll hoop doesn't meet Pikes Peak's rollcage regulations, so no go. Kind of understandable really, the drops are a lot bigger than you'll see on any racetrack.

This might be interesting:

http://www.ppihc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20...

Page 22 onward is about the rollcage requirements.

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[Will83]

Timings for the second weekend of testing are now up on the PPIHC website......

June 15th test (lower section) Loebs quickest run over the 5.160 mile course was 3.25.829. This was 33 seconds clear of the next best runner (Greg Tracy @ 3.58.6) and more than a minute quicker than the other unlimited car (goeglein 4.26.2).

Average speed for Loeb over the course was 90.2 mph

June 16th lists times for lots of other competitors but not unlimited cars.....

http://youtu.be/Gnx7UMQ2drg

[CraigyMc]

Will83 said:

Timings for the second weekend of testing are now up on the PPIHC website......

June 15th test (lower section) Loebs quickest run over the 5.160 mile course was 3.25.829. This was 33 seconds clear of the next best runner (Greg Tracy @ 3.58.6) and more than a minute quicker than the other unlimited car (goeglein 4.26.2).

Average speed for Loeb over the course was 90.2 mph

June 16th lists times for lots of other competitors but not unlimited cars.....

http://youtu.be/Gnx7UMQ2drg

I'm not sure that youtube link goes where you think it does... hahaha :P

Edited to add: the times released so far are only for the lower part of the course, cars on the 15th and bikes on the 16th.

I cannot find times for cars on the 16th (when they ran the upper section) other than the ones Peugeot released themselves in their twitter feed, and from what they wrote the others in the unlimited class didn't participate on the 16th anyway.

By the way, the 3m 25s time was for 5.16 miles of the lower course. The full course is 12.4 miles.

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Edited by CraigyMc on Tuesday 18th June 07:51

[Will83]

Haha oh dear!!

Nice link to Arnie working out in 'Pumping Iron'!! is well worth a look though, good motivation if you're trying to get into shape!! - best bit is where he goes to the local prison to give a bodybuilding demo and they all love him, he'd get stabbed these days!!



http://www.ppihc.com/tire-testing-times-2/

[Will83]

Based on Pugs quickest lowest section time of 3.25 and the fastest upper section time they mentioned on Twitter of 4.36.75 it gives a time of just over 8 minutes for the course.

I'm guessing a section must have missed somewhere though as an 8 minute run would be extraordinary!

[CO2000]

Greg_D said:

CO2000 said:

Add http://www.djracecars.com/dj-firehawks.asp to the mix (Firestorm) and what ever wins take it round the TT course next year for smashing the lap record there

Taken from their homepage, not the best advert for their products, lol...

Normally a driver flying is good def don't want that at PP !!!

[CraigyMc]

Will83 said:

Based on Pugs quickest lowest section time of 3.25 and the fastest upper section time they mentioned on Twitter of 4.36.75 it gives a time of just over 8 minutes for the course.

I'm guessing a section must have missed somewhere though as an 8 minute run would be extraordinary!

Well, this is the first time the course has been all tarmac when it's not had freezing/snowing conditions.

The other thing is that it's not 100% clear, but I think the consensus around here is that lower + upper != full.

We know from some of the timing data that the tyre testing "lower section" is 5.160 Miles, but I've not seen a definitive distance for the tyre testing "upper section" length.

The full course for the race day is 12.42 Miles.

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[Juicetin1]

Does anyone fancy Rhys Millen's chances of a victory?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/15/an-inside-look-...