RE: Alfa Romeo 4C - unwrapped

[stuartalfa]

Not sure if this has been posted?

Alfa Romeo 4C and Marc Gené in Madrid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzexh_EgPdQ

[Ozzie Osmond]

XKjimmy said:

Heres's a quick but poor attempt from me thats made it a bit cross eyed...

Send it to Malvern - they know how to give car a real squint!



What a mess....

[k-ink]

Ozzie Osmond said:

What a mess....

Absolutely. Another potentially really lovely car completely ruined by sheer laziness at the 11th hour. The mind boggles.

[Mario149]

stuartalfa said:

Not sure if this has been posted?

Alfa Romeo 4C and Marc Gené in Madrid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzexh_EgPdQ

Cool Looks like it sounds quite fruity as well which is a relief

[V6Alfisti]

k-ink said:

Absolutely. Another potentially really lovely car completely ruined by sheer laziness at the 11th hour. The mind boggles.

The lights aren't great - agreed. However I believe done for following reasons (rather than being lazy)

1) When you see behind the headlight there really isn't any room, therefore traditional bulbs are out of the question



2) Cost due to low volumes of producing a covered unit and various approvals

I suspect given the beating they are getting over the light they will reconsider for the future, hopefully at the same time a 300hp variant comes out

Edited by V6Alfisti on Sunday 16th June 15:08

[danp]

at last we have more of a competitor to the supercharged elise/exige, alfa should be applauded for doing this as opposed to a 50% heavier slk/z4/cayman type car. dare i say it, the more i see of them the more i find the lights acceptable ;-) hope to have a good look in the flesh at goodwood.

i was suprised at just how labour intensive the build process looks, but guess that was to be expected really, is the carbon tub for the i3/i8 to be quite so hand made? as has been mentioned, not sure how they could make money on these, even at 45/50k.

Edited by danp on Sunday 16th June 11:39

[errek72]

LuS1fer said:

I hark back to that stunning Duetto concept which I would have loved to own.

This, however, is not pretty nor even particularly attractive. It is another "bland design" that could have come from any wannabe kit car manufacturer so it's a no from me. Where has the Alfa flair gone?

It died when the Milan development centre was closed. (100 years of passed-on knowledge and affection flushed away, imagine BMW or even Audi doing that to their bases). And for his next trick Marchionne is now having all designs being carried out in-house under an ex-pininfarina designer.
Which will bury said design house as it has buried Bertone. Typical present day management style : happily kill off the future of a company, market and culture to have a nice balance to show on the next shareholder meeting.

Not sure about the design of the 4c - would need to see one IRL. Those headlights are criminal for sure.
As for the Duettotanta, seems to me like that was used for the F-type. At least Mr Tata and the good people at Jaguar have some more wits about them then those lunatics at Fiat Auto Group.

[the-photographer]

Here is the random weight table.

Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)

Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)

370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 323bhp (manual)

BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)

BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)

BWM 335i M Sport 1600kg / 306bhp (manual)

M3 Coupe 1655kg / 420bhp (manual)

Ariel Atom 456 + 75 = 531 kg / 245-300 bhp (manual)

Audi S3 1515 + 75 = 1590 / 261bhp (auto)

Caparo T1 689kg / 575bhp (manual)

Lotus Exige S 935 + 75 = 1010kg / 220bhp (manual & ac marked as an option)

Mercedes Benz SLK 350 1505kg / 305hp (auto 7 tronic

Mercedes Benz SLK 55AMG 1575kg / 360hp (auto 7 tronic)

BMW 1 Series M Coupe 1570kg / 340hp(manual)

Car	Weight KG (inc driver & 90% fuel)
Atom	531
Caparo T1	689
Alfa 4c	895 DRY
Lotus Elise	876+75=951
Lotus Elise CR	852+75=927
Lotus Elise S	924+75=999
Lotus Exige 6 cylinder	1176+75=1251
Cayman S	1425
SLK 350	1505
Audi TTRS	1525
BMW 135i	1530
BMW 1 Series M Coupe	1570
370z	1571
SLK 55AMG	1575
S3	1590
BMW Z4 sDrive35is	1600
BMW 335i M Sport	1600
BMW M3 Coupe	1655

Edited by the-photographer on Monday 17th June 10:39

Edited by the-photographer on Monday 17th June 14:03

Edited by the-photographer on Monday 17th June 14:03

[kambites]

So I wonder I the 4C is actually lighter than the Exige V6. I don't really have a feel for how much the fluids weigh in total but presumably less than 115kg?

I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.

[otolith]

That's the weight of the four cylinder Exige. The V6 is 1176kg.

[GroundEffect]

kambites said:

So I wonder I the 4C is actually lighter than the Exige V6. I don't really have a feel for how much the fluids weigh in total but presumably less than 115kg?

I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.

Say 6kg coolant, 5kg oils, 30kg fuel, 1kg refrigerant, some hydraulic fluids...

Not very much.

[kambites]

GroundEffect said:

kambites said:

So I wonder I the 4C is actually lighter than the Exige V6. I don't really have a feel for how much the fluids weigh in total but presumably less than 115kg?

I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.

Say 6kg coolant, 5kg oils, 30kg fuel, 1kg refrigerant, some hydraulic fluids...

Not very much.

So something of the order of 50kg all in?

So why do they quote dry?

[the-photographer]

otolith said:

That's the weight of the four cylinder Exige. The V6 is 1176kg.

Table amended with both versions now.

[otolith]

the-photographer said:

Table amended with both versions now.

Not sure whether that weight includes driver, it doesn't say in the brochure.

[pSyCoSiS]

Doesn't look as stunning as the 8C.

Still, seems like a nice pocket rocket.

Very Lotus-like on the looks...

[GTRene]

they should measure cars with all fluids except petrol, or all with 20L or so because some have tanks with say 50L and some 150L (example)
so it would be fare that all cars are measured with fluids but ex petrol or all cars the same say 10 or 20L

so no driver or luggage because al drivers are different and so is luggage why measure such thing when you don't know what driver/luggage the car gets, its a stupid thing.

they should use all around the globe also the same measurements standard.

[V6Alfisti]

Already talks of tuning/after market interest

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289927/alfa_rome...

410hp? will need to see that to believe it!

[the-photographer]

otolith said:

the-photographer said:

Table amended with both versions now.

Not sure whether that weight includes driver, it doesn't say in the brochure.

Amended with more models, its says unladen, so I have added 75Kg to the total.

[Fantuzzi]

V6Alfisti said:

Already talks of tuning/after market interest

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289927/alfa_rome...

410hp? will need to see that to believe it!

GT3 race car perhaps? Now turbos have been allowed with the GTR and 12c.

Its not hard to get just under 400bhp per ton (which is what the rest of the field are on) when they car is so light!

[stanza]

Very Nice but the lights do remind me of a spider.