Online Paedo hunters
Discussion
Good public service or a bad public nuisance? maybe both?
I spotted these in the news the other day, and I can't help think that they want to do good, but surely it would be better to just gather the evidence and hand it over to the authorities who have access to other agencies such as social services for proper investigation. How do convictions stand with the roadside interrogation? On a different thread we have been talking about how a juries knowledge of another trial can jeopardise a case, yet these people seem to be able to gather confessions under duress and without legal representation and guilty verdicts are common.
Online "likes" for justice must be leading to a bad place?
I spotted these in the news the other day, and I can't help think that they want to do good, but surely it would be better to just gather the evidence and hand it over to the authorities who have access to other agencies such as social services for proper investigation. How do convictions stand with the roadside interrogation? On a different thread we have been talking about how a juries knowledge of another trial can jeopardise a case, yet these people seem to be able to gather confessions under duress and without legal representation and guilty verdicts are common.
Online "likes" for justice must be leading to a bad place?
The scary bit is all the 'u ok hun' facebook crowd starting a witch hunt without any scrap of evidence.
Think bitter ex with a grudge wants to throw some mud at ex husband / partner etc.
These kind of low IQ vigilante groups love it.
Evidence? Don't need it, he's a nonce coz Sharon said so, let's burn his house to the ground etc etc
Think bitter ex with a grudge wants to throw some mud at ex husband / partner etc.
These kind of low IQ vigilante groups love it.
Evidence? Don't need it, he's a nonce coz Sharon said so, let's burn his house to the ground etc etc
Couple of thoughts from me, I find they're pretty useful for culling your social media "friends" as anyone who shares this sort of thing generally isn't the sort of person you'd want to share your living room with.
On the other hand, I know a Chief of Police and he is extremely concerned about spurious attacks on people. He is aware of a number of cases where online "pranksters", bullies or "trolls" have set up fake accounts using screen grabbed images of people they want to bring injustice to and used innocent people's identities to engage with these "hunters".
The innocent party is then shamed all over social media, arrested or even bribed.
On the other hand, I know a Chief of Police and he is extremely concerned about spurious attacks on people. He is aware of a number of cases where online "pranksters", bullies or "trolls" have set up fake accounts using screen grabbed images of people they want to bring injustice to and used innocent people's identities to engage with these "hunters".
The innocent party is then shamed all over social media, arrested or even bribed.
They (hunters) all have something in common. They like the glory and the adoration.
As has been said they often come from uneducated broken homes and don’t work. You’ll not get an ex policeman doing it, for example.
There was an article about some reporter saying they use suggestive messages and often start the conversation down a sexual route. “What’s a BJ?” Etc.
It’s not going to catch any peado rings that’s for sure.
As has been said they often come from uneducated broken homes and don’t work. You’ll not get an ex policeman doing it, for example.
There was an article about some reporter saying they use suggestive messages and often start the conversation down a sexual route. “What’s a BJ?” Etc.
It’s not going to catch any peado rings that’s for sure.
Flip side of this is, a bloke locally was been apprehended by local 'hunters' a few months back, they handed him to the police and he's been convicted this week. He most definitely was up to no good and it was these types of vigilantes who exposed it and then made citizens arrests.
Provided arrests are done legally and without force, I guess there is a time and a place for them, given police resources are scare.
Two people who work here knew the bloke - one had worked at the same place and the other used to have a bar job at his local - it's been followed with interest.
Provided arrests are done legally and without force, I guess there is a time and a place for them, given police resources are scare.
Two people who work here knew the bloke - one had worked at the same place and the other used to have a bar job at his local - it's been followed with interest.
bongtom said:
They (hunters) all have something in common. They like the glory and the adoration.
As has been said they often come from uneducated broken homes and don’t work. You’ll not get an ex policeman doing it, for example.
There was an article about some reporter saying they use suggestive messages and often start the conversation down a sexual route. “What’s a BJ?” Etc.
It’s not going to catch any peado rings that’s for sure.
I must admit, I sometimes wonder if some of these people get a little "gratification" of their own in sending and receiving the explicit messages...As has been said they often come from uneducated broken homes and don’t work. You’ll not get an ex policeman doing it, for example.
There was an article about some reporter saying they use suggestive messages and often start the conversation down a sexual route. “What’s a BJ?” Etc.
It’s not going to catch any peado rings that’s for sure.
My local sites/groups had a video of some nutter kicking an OAPs car door in, before he could drive away.
It was tagged with "Be on the lookout, he's secretly moved from up north"
I reckon the likes of cambridge analytica use it as a quick way to aggregate all the muppets incapable of thinking.
Edit: This excludes those in the other camp who send messages etc.
It was tagged with "Be on the lookout, he's secretly moved from up north"
I reckon the likes of cambridge analytica use it as a quick way to aggregate all the muppets incapable of thinking.
Edit: This excludes those in the other camp who send messages etc.
Edited by WindyMills on Thursday 28th June 12:50
Eric Mc said:
Never start a topic without being able to spell the key word in the title.
The very thing I came here to comment on. I wonder if the OP is this guy: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...
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Having watched a few of their "arrest" videos, it makes me rather uncomfortable that they run around shouting "citizens arrest" and such.
They use threatening tactics to detain people and gather evidence at the scene, and I really hope they dont put any trials at risk with this behaviour!
Demanding "suspects" hand them their phones and answer their questions, get a confession, not put their hands in their pockets etc..... Utter idiots, pass the information over to the police and let them deal with it correctly.
and all the hunters, even the women have a "look" about them
They use threatening tactics to detain people and gather evidence at the scene, and I really hope they dont put any trials at risk with this behaviour!
Demanding "suspects" hand them their phones and answer their questions, get a confession, not put their hands in their pockets etc..... Utter idiots, pass the information over to the police and let them deal with it correctly.
and all the hunters, even the women have a "look" about them
SHutchinson said:
The very thing I came here to comment on.
I wonder if the OP is this guy: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...
Nope not me.I wonder if the OP is this guy: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...
Doing a quick Google, there seem to be a very large number of convictions from these types of 'vigilante' detentions.
What's not being widely reported though is the downside - how many citizens arrests are made illegally (i.e. with force and menace etc.) and how many innocent weirdos are incorrectly accused?
What's not being widely reported though is the downside - how many citizens arrests are made illegally (i.e. with force and menace etc.) and how many innocent weirdos are incorrectly accused?
Digga said:
Doing a quick Google, there seem to be a very large number of convictions from these types of 'vigilante' detentions.
What's not being widely reported though is the downside - how many citizens arrests are made illegally (i.e. with force and menace etc.) and how many innocent weirdos are incorrectly accused?
I would live to see the stats.What's not being widely reported though is the downside - how many citizens arrests are made illegally (i.e. with force and menace etc.) and how many innocent weirdos are incorrectly accused?
Any of these hunters on here?
Digga said:
Doing a quick Google, there seem to be a very large number of convictions from these types of 'vigilante' detentions.
What's not being widely reported though is the downside - how many citizens arrests are made illegally (i.e. with force and menace etc.) and how many innocent weirdos are incorrectly accused?
This, given the Police's history of not doing proper investigations when a quick win can be had. What's not being widely reported though is the downside - how many citizens arrests are made illegally (i.e. with force and menace etc.) and how many innocent weirdos are incorrectly accused?
I highly doubt most of these online vigilantes have the patience or skill required to run a proper investigation, so you end up with a half baked investigation leading to an incorrect accusation based on dubious evidence that ruins lives. For every Simon Wiesenthal there are 100 nutters who do nothing but harass innocent people.
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