Is it just me.....private sellers
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ChimpOnGas said:
If you don't see the point you didn't read my post, if turning 22mpg into 50mpg with no loss of performance or boot space isn't your thing then best you carry on burning money on an open fire to stay warm.
Pointless is something that doesn't make sense, doubling the fuel economy of a thirsty car with no downsides is the complete oposite of pointless.
Prejudice born from ignorance is pointless.
Ha ha I think you’ll find it’s “prejudice is the child of ignorance’. As I say, each to their own but I think it’s pointless. Maybe there are lots of TVR owners who have also had the conversion but with LPG having less energy than petrol I have spent my money gaining power not losing it. If I was doing big miles in a commuting car then I might consider it but with the average TVR doing probably 2k pa then it would be a long payback and with all the downsides re power, space and resale. Pointless is something that doesn't make sense, doubling the fuel economy of a thirsty car with no downsides is the complete oposite of pointless.
Prejudice born from ignorance is pointless.
Gazzab said:
Ha ha I think you’ll find it’s “prejudice is the child of ignorance’. As I say, each to their own but I think it’s pointless. Maybe there are lots of TVR owners who have also had the conversion but with LPG having less energy than petrol I have spent my money gaining power not losing it. If I was doing big miles in a commuting car then I might consider it but with the average TVR doing probably 2k pa then it would be a long payback and with all the downsides re power, space and resale.
Well I'm making more power on gas than the car made new on petrol when it left Bristol Avenue. Trust me there's a lot more to burning low carbon 110Ron LPG than you know, clearly!
Tyre Smoke said:
Gazzab, let it go mate. He's very proud of his LPG Chimaera. You'll never convince him otherwise, he's going to go all nasal and produce graphs in a moment. Move on.
Back on topic, it's a car I'd avoid if looking to buy though.
Well that’s good to know? Back on topic, it's a car I'd avoid if looking to buy though.
Tvr have always been about the owners preferences, in this case it’s LPG which might not agree with some but does it matter if someone enjoys their car, that’s all that really matters.
As can be seen by the present market place, the cars are worth Jack s
t either way so fill ya boots and enjoy them. It’s simply uneconomical to do body offs and the like as new buyers are not prepared to pay what it costs when purchasing unless it’s a special vehicle with probably many thousands of pounds of other upgrades let alone new outriggers provided.
Owners of these great cars are being slaughtered if selling, we spend way more than we ever get back but then enjoy the cars because they are at the top of the game.
That includes the LPG car, look over and sample something before talking about it I’d say, it runs smooth as any Tvr ever, just go look see sometime.
It’s no normal lpg conversion.
GinG15 said:
also unknown with majority of UK owners seems to wash the car underneath....logic consequence...rot/rust.
These are a good attachment for the Karacher pressure washer
https://www.johnlewis.com/k-rcher-vp-160-jet-washe...
Classic Chim said:
Well that’s good to know?
Tvr have always been about the owners preferences, in this case it’s LPG which might not agree with some but does it matter if someone enjoys their car, that’s all that really matters.
As can be seen by the present market place, the cars are worth Jack st either way so fill ya boots and enjoy them.
It’s simply uneconomical to do body offs and the like as new buyers are not prepared to pay what it costs when purchasing unless it’s a special vehicle with probably many thousands of pounds of other upgrades let alone new outriggers provided.
Owners of these great cars are being slaughtered if selling, we spend way more than we ever get back but then enjoy the cars because they are at the top of the game.
That includes the LPG car, look over and sample something before talking about it I’d say, it runs smooth as any Tvr ever, just go look see sometime.
It’s no normal lpg conversion.
Each to their own is right. Tvr have always been about the owners preferences, in this case it’s LPG which might not agree with some but does it matter if someone enjoys their car, that’s all that really matters.
As can be seen by the present market place, the cars are worth Jack s
t either way so fill ya boots and enjoy them. It’s simply uneconomical to do body offs and the like as new buyers are not prepared to pay what it costs when purchasing unless it’s a special vehicle with probably many thousands of pounds of other upgrades let alone new outriggers provided.
Owners of these great cars are being slaughtered if selling, we spend way more than we ever get back but then enjoy the cars because they are at the top of the game.
That includes the LPG car, look over and sample something before talking about it I’d say, it runs smooth as any Tvr ever, just go look see sometime.
It’s no normal lpg conversion.
But top if their game at what exactly? They're not particularly fast (Cerbera excepted perhaps) they are a glorified kit car, they are getting to the point as you point out of beyond economic repair. They have in the main, a not particularly good engine, unless you spend lots on it. I see better classics at less money with less big hassles. And arguably more support network.
Don't get me wrong, live TVRs but it's this blinkered view from owners that get all precious when someone offers the mildest of criticism of the marque that puts me right off.
Tyre Smoke said:
Each to their own is right.
But top if their game at what exactly? They're not particularly fast (Cerbera excepted perhaps) they are a glorified kit car, they are getting to the point as you point out of beyond economic repair. They have in the main, a not particularly good engine, unless you spend lots on it. I see better classics at less money with less big hassles. And arguably more support network.
Don't get me wrong, live TVRs but it's this blinkered view from owners that get all precious when someone offers the mildest of criticism of the marque that puts me right off.
I'd agree that most TVR's in my experience are way off a modern sports car. My V8 Vantage knocks the Chimera 500 into a cocked hat. However I still own and want a Chimaera RV8. That is telling. I wouldn't expect it to be as good either. It is much older, less cash spent on development, build, QC and everything. For me that is exactly what it makes it much more engaging, engrossing and appealing.But top if their game at what exactly? They're not particularly fast (Cerbera excepted perhaps) they are a glorified kit car, they are getting to the point as you point out of beyond economic repair. They have in the main, a not particularly good engine, unless you spend lots on it. I see better classics at less money with less big hassles. And arguably more support network.
Don't get me wrong, live TVRs but it's this blinkered view from owners that get all precious when someone offers the mildest of criticism of the marque that puts me right off.
It is very much like my 4200. The failings and short comings are exactly the reason it is so characterful and so appealing. If I wanted a perfect car I'd buy a German sports car or a McLaren.
No they don't make sense really with some higher/bigger numbers, especially when getting into £30k/£40k & £50k+ but I'm happy with one upto £25k. This £25k is the most I have ever spent on any car and seems to be some invisible ceiling to what my mind wants to spend on any car these days. I don't see the need to spend any more than £25k these days.
All I'll add to this conversation is I've had to do outriggers on a TVR Cerb on 30k miles, garaged all its life and rarely driven in the rain- Underneath the outriggers looked pretty good. On top, holes.
If TVR outriggers show even the slightest sign of being crusty you can put money on them being holed on top. You simply cant inspect them from underneath properly, I would simply consider them a 10-15 year consumable if original or redone as per original. Budget £300 per year for outriggers/chassis work and put it in a war chest. Consider it a service cost...
It does make annual costs pricey, but consider a TVR against other cars of a similar era, specialness and performance and they suddenly don't look so pricey again.
If TVR outriggers show even the slightest sign of being crusty you can put money on them being holed on top. You simply cant inspect them from underneath properly, I would simply consider them a 10-15 year consumable if original or redone as per original. Budget £300 per year for outriggers/chassis work and put it in a war chest. Consider it a service cost...
It does make annual costs pricey, but consider a TVR against other cars of a similar era, specialness and performance and they suddenly don't look so pricey again.
crosseyedlion said:
All I'll add to this conversation is I've had to do outriggers on a TVR Cerb on 30k miles, garaged all its life and rarely driven in the rain- Underneath the outriggers looked pretty good. On top, holes.
If TVR outriggers show even the slightest sign of being crusty you can put money on them being holed on top. You simply cant inspect them from underneath properly, I would simply consider them a 10-15 year consumable if original or redone as per original. Budget £300 per year for outriggers/chassis work and put it in a war chest. Consider it a service cost...
It does make annual costs pricey, but consider a TVR against other cars of a similar era, specialness and performance and they suddenly don't look so pricey again.
Its funny isn't it.. Modern cars have life expectancy of 7-9 years before people don't want to bother repairing them. we put a 15 year life on a bit of steel tube and it becomes the "major" thing to worry about. If TVR outriggers show even the slightest sign of being crusty you can put money on them being holed on top. You simply cant inspect them from underneath properly, I would simply consider them a 10-15 year consumable if original or redone as per original. Budget £300 per year for outriggers/chassis work and put it in a war chest. Consider it a service cost...
It does make annual costs pricey, but consider a TVR against other cars of a similar era, specialness and performance and they suddenly don't look so pricey again.
people will eventually wake up to just how rare and exclusive ALL TVR's are. You either get them or you don't.Meanwhile while others scorn and dismiss the brand us real TVR enthusiasts just keep driving and enjoying these undervalued cars.
Classic car values have seen big rises in the last 5 years especially Beetle Sports models commonly reffered to as the Porsche 911, TVRs rose too but not nearly so much.
Current Beetle Sports prices at auction are proving prices increased out of all proportion to their true value so owners who bought recently are finding themselves in a negative equity situation, TVR buyers are experiencing no such losses.
People stupid enough to buy their sports car new are seeing shocking levels of depreciation, personally I'm not into throwing money down the drain so the TVR brand has worked wonderfully for me and many others too.
If you buy wisely pound for pound a TVR offers absolutely unbeatable value for money, but its not a car for people afraid to pick up a spanner every now and again, it's a real enthusiasts car in the purest sense so if that scares you off I recommend buying a Beetle Sports.
Classic car values have seen big rises in the last 5 years especially Beetle Sports models commonly reffered to as the Porsche 911, TVRs rose too but not nearly so much.
Current Beetle Sports prices at auction are proving prices increased out of all proportion to their true value so owners who bought recently are finding themselves in a negative equity situation, TVR buyers are experiencing no such losses.
People stupid enough to buy their sports car new are seeing shocking levels of depreciation, personally I'm not into throwing money down the drain so the TVR brand has worked wonderfully for me and many others too.
If you buy wisely pound for pound a TVR offers absolutely unbeatable value for money, but its not a car for people afraid to pick up a spanner every now and again, it's a real enthusiasts car in the purest sense so if that scares you off I recommend buying a Beetle Sports.
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