China Eastern Flight MU5735 down
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That aircraft was in flight / cruise also.
As we all know, the most hazardous time of any flight is take off / landing.
To go nose down like that so rapidly is very unusual.
There is a member on here who talks very knowledgeably about civil aviation .
I remember him posting a while back that, post pandemic, aviators been out of the seat for a while - mistakes were happening.obviously, staying sharp is an everyday thing.
I figure we are not in those sort of realms current.
It looks like that aircraft went down like a dart.
Very unusual.
Speculation about the 737 is obvious.
I seem to remember the previous rudder issue was extreme cold around the servo actuators.
So far the conditions would not appear to be so.
Very hard to say. But in flight, serious nose dive.
They are the basics.
As we all know, the most hazardous time of any flight is take off / landing.
To go nose down like that so rapidly is very unusual.
There is a member on here who talks very knowledgeably about civil aviation .
I remember him posting a while back that, post pandemic, aviators been out of the seat for a while - mistakes were happening.obviously, staying sharp is an everyday thing.
I figure we are not in those sort of realms current.
It looks like that aircraft went down like a dart.
Very unusual.
Speculation about the 737 is obvious.
I seem to remember the previous rudder issue was extreme cold around the servo actuators.
So far the conditions would not appear to be so.
Very hard to say. But in flight, serious nose dive.
They are the basics.
h0b0 said:
The pilots were able to pull the plane out of the descent and even start a climb before the final impact
Sounds quite similar to the Alaska Airlines one mentioned above. They wrestled back control before it gave out again. Although how reliable is the data from FlightRadar?
I am far from an expert
As someone that flies on planes this scenario is shocking. I naively thought that there would be a glide option but it is clear here they were fighting against something that was driving them to the ground. That something could be anything at this point, mechanical, software or human.
flightradar24 said:
Granular ADS-B data Flightradar24 collects raw ADS-B data from aircraft roughly twice per second. This data is then processed and displayed on the Flightradar24 website with reduced position frequency for data conservation purposes. The following chart is based on raw decoded data received from MU5735 and includes additional granular data beyond that available on the Flightradar24 history page for this flight
From China Eastern Airlines flight 5735 crashes en route to GuangzhouAs someone that flies on planes this scenario is shocking. I naively thought that there would be a glide option but it is clear here they were fighting against something that was driving them to the ground. That something could be anything at this point, mechanical, software or human.
h0b0 said:
The pilots were able to pull the plane out of the descent and even start a climb before the final impact
That profile looks to me like a secondary stall - where the aircraft is recovered but without sufficient airspeed and the critical angle of attack is exceeded such that the wing(s) stall.I think I'm right in saying the aircraft would have just been commencing its descent when the incident happened. Anyone know what the weather was doing at the time? Any other aircraft in the area report any turbulence ?
h0b0 said:
I am far from an expert
As someone that flies on planes this scenario is shocking. I naively thought that there would be a glide option but it is clear here they were fighting against something that was driving them to the ground. That something could be anything at this point, mechanical, software or human.
All aircraft want to fly. In many cases where there is an upset doing nothing is actually the best course of action because the aircraft is still flying at that point and control inputs often make the upset worse (this is a generalisation for the pedants).flightradar24 said:
Granular ADS-B data Flightradar24 collects raw ADS-B data from aircraft roughly twice per second. This data is then processed and displayed on the Flightradar24 website with reduced position frequency for data conservation purposes. The following chart is based on raw decoded data received from MU5735 and includes additional granular data beyond that available on the Flightradar24 history page for this flight
From China Eastern Airlines flight 5735 crashes en route to GuangzhouAs someone that flies on planes this scenario is shocking. I naively thought that there would be a glide option but it is clear here they were fighting against something that was driving them to the ground. That something could be anything at this point, mechanical, software or human.
However the control surfaces on modern aircraft can be very powerful, and if something goes wrong such as part of a control surface becoming uncontrollable then you can end up inverted, in a stall, in a dive etc. Modern aircraft are massive but there is actually very little to prevent physics kicking in. And once the physics of a massive 100,200 even 300 tonne aircraft build up you have real issues getting it back under control in a short time frame.
Airbus design in bank angle limitations etc but once the SHTF you can end up in a situation where the computers say "you are on your own" as they recognise you are not in normal flight and its down to the person flying to try and correct the problem.
In this particular case I think its either been some sort of structural failure or possibly human causes - but who knows.
It does look from the video like it might be leaking fuel and possibly having parts of the aircraft fall off on the way down. 600kts is one heck of a speed.
Unbusy said:
Has this forum now become somewhere for dimwits to post bad jokes? Two so far. I think I will pass on making a serious contribution for today.
If you are referring to me, then I apologise. I know almost nothing of aviation matters, but I’d rather ask a stupid question and learn something than continue to live in ignorance.My question was a sincere one.
48k said:
That profile looks to me like a secondary stall - where the aircraft is recovered but without sufficient airspeed and the critical angle of attack is exceeded such that the wing(s) stall.
I think I'm right in saying the aircraft would have just been commencing its descent when the incident happened. Anyone know what the weather was doing at the time? Any other aircraft in the area report any turbulence ?
A stall is bad close to the ground, it's a total non issue at altitude.I think I'm right in saying the aircraft would have just been commencing its descent when the incident happened. Anyone know what the weather was doing at the time? Any other aircraft in the area report any turbulence ?
Scolmore said:
48k said:
That profile looks to me like a secondary stall - where the aircraft is recovered but without sufficient airspeed and the critical angle of attack is exceeded such that the wing(s) stall.
I think I'm right in saying the aircraft would have just been commencing its descent when the incident happened. Anyone know what the weather was doing at the time? Any other aircraft in the area report any turbulence ?
A stall is bad close to the ground, it's a total non issue at altitude.I think I'm right in saying the aircraft would have just been commencing its descent when the incident happened. Anyone know what the weather was doing at the time? Any other aircraft in the area report any turbulence ?
However that said this was a nose down type situation which is very different IMHO.
The altitude/time figures from FlightRadar make it look like there was a recovery and a climb after 1 minute, at 7,000 feet.
Looks like the pilots recovered it, only for it to go wrong again. (Speculating, I know.)
Too similar to the MAX incidents, although they were near the start of the flight.
Looks like the pilots recovered it, only for it to go wrong again. (Speculating, I know.)
Too similar to the MAX incidents, although they were near the start of the flight.
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