The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
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smithyithy said:
Bit of a random question...
When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...
Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things
Well, unless you can shooting during the working week at a commercial clay ground, at weekends at most places, even private clubs, there are usually a queue of people waiting at each stand, so once you shot, there's no reason not to eject straight away, and re-load, standing around watching the world go by isn't generally appreciated by others!When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...
Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things
smithyithy said:
Bit of a random question...
When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...
Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things
You get an extra point for every time you break the gun and catch the spent shells, you’re docked 5 points for intentionally dumping them on the floor. When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...
Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things
I dunno really. I do this too, immediately make the gun safe by breaking it as soon as possible.
I get the safety aspect I suppose. The videos I've watched are mainly by channels doing reviews and guides etc at their own locations so there's no 'rush' to shoot and move on in that sense.
Just appears to be a kind of automatic urgency to eject as soon as possible, even if they then talk to the camera for a while before reloading and shooting again, so I thought it might be something related to gun care that you remove the spent shells as soon as possible (not really sure why that would the case honestly but obviously I wouldn't know from experience)
Just appears to be a kind of automatic urgency to eject as soon as possible, even if they then talk to the camera for a while before reloading and shooting again, so I thought it might be something related to gun care that you remove the spent shells as soon as possible (not really sure why that would the case honestly but obviously I wouldn't know from experience)
I don’t get the breaking the gun super fast thing. Even at busy grounds I can’t see someone complaining if you talk and extra couple of seconds to unload. I certainly won’t be rushed.
I think to be honest it’s a bit of a ‘style’ thing. Look how cool I am.
I’m a lefty, every gun I have ever fired wasn’t a ‘true lefty’ just left hand cast, I certainly think this does make it harder to do the ‘style’ speed unload.
The Caeser Guerini in particular was a pig to try and speed unload/load. My 725 has only had 200 cartridges through it so is still stiff despite liberal amounts of grease so can’t be ‘speed style’ loaded.
The guy from the Oxford gun company think the channel is TSC (The shooting channel) is so fast that even watching him in slow motion I can’t figure out how he does it so fast. His channel has become a walking advert over the last year less informative more look what we have for sale.
I’m also a big fan of Johnny (TSG Outdoors), Ben Husuthwaite channel is quite good for instruction.
The CPSA YouTube channel How to shoot playlist I found quite helpful.
Anybody got any other YouTube channels they would recommend for shotgun content.
I think to be honest it’s a bit of a ‘style’ thing. Look how cool I am.
I’m a lefty, every gun I have ever fired wasn’t a ‘true lefty’ just left hand cast, I certainly think this does make it harder to do the ‘style’ speed unload.
The Caeser Guerini in particular was a pig to try and speed unload/load. My 725 has only had 200 cartridges through it so is still stiff despite liberal amounts of grease so can’t be ‘speed style’ loaded.
The guy from the Oxford gun company think the channel is TSC (The shooting channel) is so fast that even watching him in slow motion I can’t figure out how he does it so fast. His channel has become a walking advert over the last year less informative more look what we have for sale.
I’m also a big fan of Johnny (TSG Outdoors), Ben Husuthwaite channel is quite good for instruction.
The CPSA YouTube channel How to shoot playlist I found quite helpful.
Anybody got any other YouTube channels they would recommend for shotgun content.
Honestly it’s just force of habit, after lowering the gun from my shoulder having shot it’s almost subconscious to break it, I’d almost say I don’t think about it. Not that I particularly rush it or anything but it’s almost become one fluid motion at this point.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone rushed to reload.
Hadn’t thought about checking out YouTube for lessons as such, not entirely sure why given that it contains a vast array of knowledge, will check those channels you mention out
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone rushed to reload.
Hadn’t thought about checking out YouTube for lessons as such, not entirely sure why given that it contains a vast array of knowledge, will check those channels you mention out
MB140 said:
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The guy from the Oxford gun company think the channel is TSC (The shooting channel) is so fast that even watching him in slow motion I can’t figure out how he does it so fast. His channel has become a walking advert over the last year less informative more look what we have for sale.
I’m also a big fan of Johnny (TSG Outdoors), Ben Husuthwaite channel is quite good for instruction.
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Yep, they're the two channels I seem to watch the most! TSC I have found to be very informative especially as someone completely new the sport / hobby, so I've been learning a lot of the (theoretical) basics from there. It probably is just a style thing, I believe David is from a competitive trap shooting background so that's probably where his fast eject habit comes from, come to think of it.The guy from the Oxford gun company think the channel is TSC (The shooting channel) is so fast that even watching him in slow motion I can’t figure out how he does it so fast. His channel has become a walking advert over the last year less informative more look what we have for sale.
I’m also a big fan of Johnny (TSG Outdoors), Ben Husuthwaite channel is quite good for instruction.
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I do agree though, it can feel as if the more favourable reviews go to the brands that sponsor the channel / shooting school.
Johnny TSG is generally really good to watch too, really quality content especially when you look back at his early videos which were just shot in the shop, his game shooting day videos recently have been superb (apparently largely down to his cameraman / editor, which is fair)
Well! an interesting update in our shooting life happened today.
Myself and the boy (he's 16) only started shooting at the beginning of this year (we had shot before but not much).
In february we went to the British Shooting Show and met Matt Coward-Holley and Augusta Campos-Martyn. Matt is GB team trap and olympic bronze medalist and Augusta is ex GB trap and now shoots for Puerto Rica.
They run Hillfort Sporting as well as competing and aiming for Paris 24. They also run a scholarship programme for young shooters which is an incredible package of coaching, mentoring etc etc for those wanting to progress along the competition pathways.
Today we learned that the boy has just been shortlisted for the 2023 scholarship - We (well, him!) now gets to go and shoot with Matt and Augusta at EJ Churchills in a few weeks.
Myself and the boy (he's 16) only started shooting at the beginning of this year (we had shot before but not much).
In february we went to the British Shooting Show and met Matt Coward-Holley and Augusta Campos-Martyn. Matt is GB team trap and olympic bronze medalist and Augusta is ex GB trap and now shoots for Puerto Rica.
They run Hillfort Sporting as well as competing and aiming for Paris 24. They also run a scholarship programme for young shooters which is an incredible package of coaching, mentoring etc etc for those wanting to progress along the competition pathways.
Today we learned that the boy has just been shortlisted for the 2023 scholarship - We (well, him!) now gets to go and shoot with Matt and Augusta at EJ Churchills in a few weeks.
LivingTheDream said:
Well! an interesting update in our shooting life happened today.
Myself and the boy (he's 16) only started shooting at the beginning of this year (we had shot before but not much).
In february we went to the British Shooting Show and met Matt Coward-Holley and Augusta Campos-Martyn. Matt is GB team trap and olympic bronze medalist and Augusta is ex GB trap and now shoots for Puerto Rica.
They run Hillfort Sporting as well as competing and aiming for Paris 24. They also run a scholarship programme for young shooters which is an incredible package of coaching, mentoring etc etc for those wanting to progress along the competition pathways.
Today we learned that the boy has just been shortlisted for the 2023 scholarship - We (well, him!) now gets to go and shoot with Matt and Augusta at EJ Churchills in a few weeks.
Pass on my congratulations to him, and well done you too. We need young blood coming into the sport or it will die out.Myself and the boy (he's 16) only started shooting at the beginning of this year (we had shot before but not much).
In february we went to the British Shooting Show and met Matt Coward-Holley and Augusta Campos-Martyn. Matt is GB team trap and olympic bronze medalist and Augusta is ex GB trap and now shoots for Puerto Rica.
They run Hillfort Sporting as well as competing and aiming for Paris 24. They also run a scholarship programme for young shooters which is an incredible package of coaching, mentoring etc etc for those wanting to progress along the competition pathways.
Today we learned that the boy has just been shortlisted for the 2023 scholarship - We (well, him!) now gets to go and shoot with Matt and Augusta at EJ Churchills in a few weeks.
Evening all, I was out today shooting my beretta 694 which I have had for over a year, and when opening it the top lever opens as normal but doesn’t close. It is now getting stuck on the wood and I have to manual push it back.
Anyone had the same, I guess I will have to get the sandpaper out?
Anyone had the same, I guess I will have to get the sandpaper out?
Evening all, I was out today shooting my beretta 694 which I have had for over a year, and when opening it the top lever opens as normal but doesn’t close. It is now getting stuck on the wood and I have to manual push it back.
Anyone had the same, I guess I will have to get the sandpaper out?
Anyone had the same, I guess I will have to get the sandpaper out?
Lots of my shooting friend’s use modern Beretta’s [various models] and many of them have this issue. The wood to metal fit around the head is very proud as new. Most have returned them to main dealers who adjust the timber to clear the top lever and refinish to suit. It would seem that the timber is not seasoned/treated correctly as it’s happened more than once with some guns. They just don’t make them like they used to!
Can I ask what might appear a silly question - with Covid etc the whole lead v steel debacle appears to have gone quiet so what is the current position of a lead shot potential ban ?
I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!
I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!
alscar said:
Can I ask what might appear a silly question - with Covid etc the whole lead v steel debacle appears to have gone quiet so what is the current position of a lead shot potential ban ?
I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!
How old is your 525 that it's not steel proofed?I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!
Mine is over 20 years old and fine for steel. (Not that I am happy about it.....)
alscar said:
My 525 is 13 years old but I couldn't find any markings ( Fleur etc ) to say it was steel proofed - have I been a numpty and there is something else I can tell its steel proofed by ?
The Lanber is at least 30 years old btw.
Found the Fleur on mine, but can't remember exactly where. I seem to remember it was quite obscure. I'll try and find 5 min to get it out of the safe later & see if I can tip you off. The Lanber is at least 30 years old btw.
As your gun isn’t proofed marked for steel, you should still be able to use ‘standard’ steel loads. As a guide, guns which are proved to ‘nitro’ (930 bar) will be safe to handle standard steel loads. To shoot ‘superior’ steel loads, your gun needs to be proofed to at least 1,320 bar. Either way, you should be able to carry on using your gun with the right ammunition and the right chokes [no tighter than ½]. As more people switch, a variety of steel loads will become more widely available. If you’re in any doubt, take your gun to a reputable gunsmith or gun shop and ask their advice. They will check the proof marks and tell you what loads you can safely shoot. You can have the gun re-proofed for superior steel if the gun is in good condition but that won’t take into account the wear in the barrels that may occur after many 1000’s of rounds. The real issue for me is that Steel shot [soft iron] cartridges mostly have a full protective wad and at the moment it is usually plastic! So I will have to find standard steel with biodegradable full cup wads when wanting to shoot clays at what’s normally a fibre only shoot. In addition the ricochet risk of steel shot is high so shooting steel near/through trees, close to traps and other structures might be a real issue for smaller clay grounds.
alscar said:
Can I ask what might appear a silly question - with Covid etc the whole lead v steel debacle appears to have gone quiet so what is the current position of a lead shot potential ban ?
I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!
No, it hasn't gone away sadly. It's not a ban yet but a voluntary transition to non toxic shot over the coming years. It may well end up being a total ban depending on the recent HSE consultation which was widely criticised as being as crooked as your great grandads back. I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!
Your Browing will be fine for most steel with or without the FDL symbol. Browning didn't suddenly start manufacturing them differently when the steel proof mark became desirable, they just submitted them for a high pressure proof test. The only difference may have been a switch from 2 3/4" chambers to 3" chambers which will be stamped on the side of the barrels. Should you have a 3" chambered gun then you could submit it to a proof house for retesting. You could also submit a 2 3/4 inch gun for testing but you'll find your HP cartridge choice very limited as there isn't that much out there in HP steel 2 3/4 inch.
The older lanber will be fine for standard steel providing its not choked more than 1/2 in each barrel.
Thanks guys - Monkey yes that would be very helpful although I suspect Pete's advice of visiting a gun shop is probably sensible anyway.
Tbh it all sounds a complete PITA and I guess no chance of this now not happening although as I said no dates appear to be mentioned anywhere .
Maybe I can apply some form of twisted man maths and just buy a new gun anyway which I was vaguely thinking of although obviously this won't deal with the bigger issues that Pete mentions such as the small shoots having real issues.
Tbh it all sounds a complete PITA and I guess no chance of this now not happening although as I said no dates appear to be mentioned anywhere .
Maybe I can apply some form of twisted man maths and just buy a new gun anyway which I was vaguely thinking of although obviously this won't deal with the bigger issues that Pete mentions such as the small shoots having real issues.
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