The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[chemistry]

Rojibo said:

chemistry said:

I've got a DT-11 ACS and quite fancy a 725 Pro Master to go with it. I know lots of folks who love their 525 Ultra XS Pros but my neck is a bit too weirdly long to get comfortable with those, so I'm a better fit for the Monte Carlo stock and raised rib of the Pro Master.

The pro master has quite a high rib doesn’t it? Unless I’m confusing things. I’ve never actually shot a gun with a high rib! How do you enjoy the DT-11 I only ever hear good things, like yourself I’m partial to a high comb.

Yes, the Pro Master is the variant with the high (adjustable) rib and adjustable stock.

My DT-11 ACS is very much the same sort of thing; has the adjustable high rib and adjustable stock, so you can supposedly set it up for any discipline (ACS = all competition shotgun). I also have one spacer added at the back.



I really like it, as it it fits me much better than a 'normal' gun, as I have a long neck and slim sloping shoulders. Overall, it's a great gun; smooth, solid, reliable and far better than I deserve. I'd buy it again (got mine used, 2018 model).

My shorter, stouter friends hate it as they can't even see the top of the rib! I think this illustrates how differently shaped folks need differently arranged guns...

https://www.ergosign.com/Shooting_position_88.html

Edited by chemistry on Saturday 26th November 16:54

[tertius]

MB140 said:

I traded in my Caeser Guerini Invictus 1 after having a look at a friends 725 pro sport a few weeks ago.

My first new gun, the woodwork isn’t as nice as the GC. But I love my 725 already.

My wife has a Blazer f3 grade 5 with custom Monte Carlo stock. It’s an expensive piece of hardware but does she shoot better with it. Nope. Ultimately it’s the pink squidgy thing behind it that makes all the difference. But it’s a beautiful piece of engineering and as we’re both engineers we appreciate the quality of the work.

The grounds keeper at Orston regularly shoots 95+ with his Krieghoff. He would still wipe the floor with me with a cheap secondhand ata.

I’d still take the K-80 though.

Krieghoffs are so expensive though!

I have an F3, a pretty early one I bought secondhand for c. £1800 I think; add £280 ish on a full service at Mulliners and it handles like new. They really are absolutely superb guns, very much an engineers gun I feel.

Also have a 20 bore Browning Cynergy which is similarly excellent - really like the very low profile action and enjoy the slight weirdness of the design. Not many 20 bores around but worth looking out if they are your thing.

[smithyithy]

Bit of a random question...

When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...

Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things

[Turn7]

Probably just habit.....finshed shooting and breaking the gun for safety.

[aeropilot]

smithyithy said:

Bit of a random question...

When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...

Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things

Well, unless you can shooting during the working week at a commercial clay ground, at weekends at most places, even private clubs, there are usually a queue of people waiting at each stand, so once you shot, there's no reason not to eject straight away, and re-load, standing around watching the world go by isn't generally appreciated by others!

[Rojibo]

smithyithy said:

Bit of a random question...

When watching clay shooting videos on YouTube etc, I've noticed that after making both shots, a lot of people seem to eject the used shells really quickly afterwards - even if they then take their time reloading and preparing for the next pair, they appear to break the gun and eject them as quick as possible...

Is this just a 'style' thing, or is there reason behind it eg. it's not good to leave used shells in the gun after firing? Or am I just imagining things

You get an extra point for every time you break the gun and catch the spent shells, you’re docked 5 points for intentionally dumping them on the floor.

I dunno really. I do this too, immediately make the gun safe by breaking it as soon as possible.

[smithyithy]

I get the safety aspect I suppose. The videos I've watched are mainly by channels doing reviews and guides etc at their own locations so there's no 'rush' to shoot and move on in that sense.

Just appears to be a kind of automatic urgency to eject as soon as possible, even if they then talk to the camera for a while before reloading and shooting again, so I thought it might be something related to gun care that you remove the spent shells as soon as possible (not really sure why that would the case honestly but obviously I wouldn't know from experience)

[MB140]

I don’t get the breaking the gun super fast thing. Even at busy grounds I can’t see someone complaining if you talk and extra couple of seconds to unload. I certainly won’t be rushed.

I think to be honest it’s a bit of a ‘style’ thing. Look how cool I am.

I’m a lefty, every gun I have ever fired wasn’t a ‘true lefty’ just left hand cast, I certainly think this does make it harder to do the ‘style’ speed unload.

The Caeser Guerini in particular was a pig to try and speed unload/load. My 725 has only had 200 cartridges through it so is still stiff despite liberal amounts of grease so can’t be ‘speed style’ loaded.

The guy from the Oxford gun company think the channel is TSC (The shooting channel) is so fast that even watching him in slow motion I can’t figure out how he does it so fast. His channel has become a walking advert over the last year less informative more look what we have for sale.

I’m also a big fan of Johnny (TSG Outdoors), Ben Husuthwaite channel is quite good for instruction.

The CPSA YouTube channel How to shoot playlist I found quite helpful.

Anybody got any other YouTube channels they would recommend for shotgun content.

[Rojibo]

Honestly it’s just force of habit, after lowering the gun from my shoulder having shot it’s almost subconscious to break it, I’d almost say I don’t think about it. Not that I particularly rush it or anything but it’s almost become one fluid motion at this point.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone rushed to reload.

Hadn’t thought about checking out YouTube for lessons as such, not entirely sure why given that it contains a vast array of knowledge, will check those channels you mention out

[smithyithy]

MB140 said:

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The guy from the Oxford gun company think the channel is TSC (The shooting channel) is so fast that even watching him in slow motion I can’t figure out how he does it so fast. His channel has become a walking advert over the last year less informative more look what we have for sale.

I’m also a big fan of Johnny (TSG Outdoors), Ben Husuthwaite channel is quite good for instruction.
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Yep, they're the two channels I seem to watch the most! TSC I have found to be very informative especially as someone completely new the sport / hobby, so I've been learning a lot of the (theoretical) basics from there. It probably is just a style thing, I believe David is from a competitive trap shooting background so that's probably where his fast eject habit comes from, come to think of it.

I do agree though, it can feel as if the more favourable reviews go to the brands that sponsor the channel / shooting school.

Johnny TSG is generally really good to watch too, really quality content especially when you look back at his early videos which were just shot in the shop, his game shooting day videos recently have been superb (apparently largely down to his cameraman / editor, which is fair)

[Rojibo]

Going to pop up to Old Glossop this Sunday as long as the weather isn’t awful. Will jump on birds only and see how I do, haven’t shot 100 sporting in about 4 years!

Anyone else going along?

[LivingTheDream]

Well! an interesting update in our shooting life happened today.

Myself and the boy (he's 16) only started shooting at the beginning of this year (we had shot before but not much).

In february we went to the British Shooting Show and met Matt Coward-Holley and Augusta Campos-Martyn. Matt is GB team trap and olympic bronze medalist and Augusta is ex GB trap and now shoots for Puerto Rica.

They run Hillfort Sporting as well as competing and aiming for Paris 24. They also run a scholarship programme for young shooters which is an incredible package of coaching, mentoring etc etc for those wanting to progress along the competition pathways.

Today we learned that the boy has just been shortlisted for the 2023 scholarship - We (well, him!) now gets to go and shoot with Matt and Augusta at EJ Churchills in a few weeks.

[MKnight702]

LivingTheDream said:

Well! an interesting update in our shooting life happened today.

Myself and the boy (he's 16) only started shooting at the beginning of this year (we had shot before but not much).

In february we went to the British Shooting Show and met Matt Coward-Holley and Augusta Campos-Martyn. Matt is GB team trap and olympic bronze medalist and Augusta is ex GB trap and now shoots for Puerto Rica.

They run Hillfort Sporting as well as competing and aiming for Paris 24. They also run a scholarship programme for young shooters which is an incredible package of coaching, mentoring etc etc for those wanting to progress along the competition pathways.

Today we learned that the boy has just been shortlisted for the 2023 scholarship - We (well, him!) now gets to go and shoot with Matt and Augusta at EJ Churchills in a few weeks.

Pass on my congratulations to him, and well done you too. We need young blood coming into the sport or it will die out.

[smithyithy]

Congrats, that's really good

[RichA35]

Evening all, I was out today shooting my beretta 694 which I have had for over a year, and when opening it the top lever opens as normal but doesn’t close. It is now getting stuck on the wood and I have to manual push it back.

Anyone had the same, I guess I will have to get the sandpaper out?

[RichA35]

Evening all, I was out today shooting my beretta 694 which I have had for over a year, and when opening it the top lever opens as normal but doesn’t close. It is now getting stuck on the wood and I have to manual push it back.

Anyone had the same, I guess I will have to get the sandpaper out?

[rapidpete]

Lots of my shooting friend’s use modern Beretta’s [various models] and many of them have this issue. The wood to metal fit around the head is very proud as new. Most have returned them to main dealers who adjust the timber to clear the top lever and refinish to suit. It would seem that the timber is not seasoned/treated correctly as it’s happened more than once with some guns. They just don’t make them like they used to!

[alscar]

Can I ask what might appear a silly question - with Covid etc the whole lead v steel debacle appears to have gone quiet so what is the current position of a lead shot potential ban ?
I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!

[thismonkeyhere]

alscar said:

Can I ask what might appear a silly question - with Covid etc the whole lead v steel debacle appears to have gone quiet so what is the current position of a lead shot potential ban ?
I have 2 shotguns - my starter one ( Lanber ) plus a better one ( Browning 525 ) -both aren't steel proofed.
Will a ban mean both are effectively useless unless I get the barrels redone ( can this even be done ? ) or should I try and sell both now and buy one new steel proofed gun ?
Or will a lead ban not really happen ?!

How old is your 525 that it's not steel proofed?

Mine is over 20 years old and fine for steel. (Not that I am happy about it.....)

[alscar]

My 525 is 13 years old but I couldn't find any markings ( Fleur etc ) to say it was steel proofed - have I been a numpty and there is something else I can tell its steel proofed by ?
The Lanber is at least 30 years old btw.