Building the dream... Cut up an Aston
Discussion
Montythedog said:
V8covin said:
Happy Jim said:
It’s IVA now, but my guess is a big fat yes!
But practically nobody does It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
jeff666 said:
I know of one chap who lost his reg when the car was incorrectly registered.
It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
If plod are looking for a v8 vantage and a hand built open top car is in front of them without the correct paperwork it could be a problem. I’m sure this chap knows what he is doing, he certainly seems to, however there are some shocking builds out there. I remember a Capri that the guy cut the body of for some reason it looked awful and a death trap. So cutting the shell up modifying needs to be checked by a competent person and passing off as safe.It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
OP just to say I don’t think you are in that category at all, what I’ve seen so far looks spot on. I’m just curious on registering, looks cracking job.
Montythedog said:
jeff666 said:
I know of one chap who lost his reg when the car was incorrectly registered.
It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
If plod are looking for a v8 vantage and a hand built open top car is in front of them without the correct paperwork it could be a problem. I’m sure this chap knows what he is doing, he certainly seems to, however there are some shocking builds out there. I remember a Capri that the guy cut the body of for some reason it looked awful and a death trap. So cutting the shell up modifying needs to be checked by a competent person and passing off as safe.It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
OP just to say I don’t think you are in that category at all, what I’ve seen so far looks spot on. I’m just curious on registering, looks cracking job.
ol said:
Is it not just chassis changes that need to go through IVA? If it's just a rebody and the chassis hasn't been touched then it doesn't need anything?
I thought if you cut the shell that meant it needed one, anyway whatever I’m sure the op knows what’s required, cracking build. It’s bookmarkedol said:
Montythedog said:
jeff666 said:
I know of one chap who lost his reg when the car was incorrectly registered.
It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
If plod are looking for a v8 vantage and a hand built open top car is in front of them without the correct paperwork it could be a problem. I’m sure this chap knows what he is doing, he certainly seems to, however there are some shocking builds out there. I remember a Capri that the guy cut the body of for some reason it looked awful and a death trap. So cutting the shell up modifying needs to be checked by a competent person and passing off as safe.It's a risk you take but with more ANPR about not sure one I would want to take.
OP just to say I don’t think you are in that category at all, what I’ve seen so far looks spot on. I’m just curious on registering, looks cracking job.
The OP, his reciprocating saw and what’s left of his Aston appear to fall into that category lol..
Anyway, I’m in! Best of luck with it all, OP
ol said:
Is it not just chassis changes that need to go through IVA? If it's just a rebody and the chassis hasn't been touched then it doesn't need anything?
It's not a re body as it doesn't have a separate chassis,he has cut in to the monocoque which is classed as the chassis so it will need an IVA, also the car will be registered as a coupe and is now a convertible.
Maybe if he had used a convertible as the doner car he would be ok.
Lots of registration / IVA talk
In all likelihood it will be a good bet to get an IVA test. No big deal I hope as (last time I looked), say you built a kitcar or I think there's a more suitable car of 'radically altered vehicles' they apply a points system, if you have enough points you get to keep the registration. (you get points for c/o chassis, steering, suspension, engine, transmission and axles - all of which I have carried over) That's the important bit you don't want to do all this and end up on a Q plate! yuck.
A point to the comment above.
The Astons do not have a monocoque, they're a body on chassis. The panels are only stuck on with PU adhesive. The only panel you could argue about would be that I have cut the screen surround off. However Aston themselves have created vehicles with no screens on the vantage chassis, The Aston speedster on the current Vantage, previously the Aston CC100 based and on the DB9 (same structure as the Vantage with a little in the sills for the 2+2) and more recently the DBR22.... so there's lots of precedent.
Also take a look into Singer 911 dls.. there's pretty much only the lower half of the chassis that they carry over.. they take the chassis, cut the a, b, c pillars and roof off, add their own roll cage and then add their own engine, and all the body panels. If the DVLA allow that and have issue with what I'm doing I certainly start asking questions. lol I don't see there being any issues, it'll be registered as my own 'brand' if you will and with the age related plate of the original Aston.
Ref the IVA it should breeze through as the majority is an existing production car. they cant argue ive not got the electrical harness tied down at suitable intervals for example as they will be contradicting the car build to production standard.
One area I will have to address and the wording the IVA is flakey is the windscreen and whether I can get away without wipers. The wording is something like 'the driver must have unimpeded view of the road' so asking how tall a windscreen can be before you need wipers will be up to the inspector on the day I would guess. Gotta love a specification with no quantitive measure! I'm packaging to have space for the wiper system though but would rather not fit one.
In all likelihood it will be a good bet to get an IVA test. No big deal I hope as (last time I looked), say you built a kitcar or I think there's a more suitable car of 'radically altered vehicles' they apply a points system, if you have enough points you get to keep the registration. (you get points for c/o chassis, steering, suspension, engine, transmission and axles - all of which I have carried over) That's the important bit you don't want to do all this and end up on a Q plate! yuck.
A point to the comment above.
The Astons do not have a monocoque, they're a body on chassis. The panels are only stuck on with PU adhesive. The only panel you could argue about would be that I have cut the screen surround off. However Aston themselves have created vehicles with no screens on the vantage chassis, The Aston speedster on the current Vantage, previously the Aston CC100 based and on the DB9 (same structure as the Vantage with a little in the sills for the 2+2) and more recently the DBR22.... so there's lots of precedent.
Also take a look into Singer 911 dls.. there's pretty much only the lower half of the chassis that they carry over.. they take the chassis, cut the a, b, c pillars and roof off, add their own roll cage and then add their own engine, and all the body panels. If the DVLA allow that and have issue with what I'm doing I certainly start asking questions. lol I don't see there being any issues, it'll be registered as my own 'brand' if you will and with the age related plate of the original Aston.
Ref the IVA it should breeze through as the majority is an existing production car. they cant argue ive not got the electrical harness tied down at suitable intervals for example as they will be contradicting the car build to production standard.
One area I will have to address and the wording the IVA is flakey is the windscreen and whether I can get away without wipers. The wording is something like 'the driver must have unimpeded view of the road' so asking how tall a windscreen can be before you need wipers will be up to the inspector on the day I would guess. Gotta love a specification with no quantitive measure! I'm packaging to have space for the wiper system though but would rather not fit one.
Yes it is the 8 point rule to keep the original registration and tax status, (certainly for a re body)
the only hurdle will be weather or not they class the roof removal as structural, you may get lucky, I find it is often down to whoever gets the paper work landed on their desk and how they interoperate the rules.
the only hurdle will be weather or not they class the roof removal as structural, you may get lucky, I find it is often down to whoever gets the paper work landed on their desk and how they interoperate the rules.
So, where did we get to... that's right, this image:
After this image I was pretty set on this design but it obviously needed work and I set about seeing this in full scale to review,
At the time I had a KUKA robot here at work which I used for cnc machining and the beauty of this is a massive machining volume and it can get around to almost any angle. Moving a bunch of stuff out of the way in the workshop meant I could squeeze the car in there wrapped in shrink wrap, block it up with left over foam board and machine the design on the car!. This was nerve wracking as any mistake in the set up, datuming or tool path could result in the robot smashing through the car!.. so, carefully does it.
It was immediately obvious, even part way through machining, that the proportions of features were way off!, looked good on the CAD screen, didn't work in real life. take a look at this image:
You can see the sill section highlighted here looks way to thin straight away and the split to the wheel arch was too low.
The great thing with having all the tools available to you is you can stop, go back to the CAD, make a change, and machine it in straight away.... a few hours later and I'd tweeked the design, a squirt of expanding foam and I was ready to re-machine:
much better.
After this image I was pretty set on this design but it obviously needed work and I set about seeing this in full scale to review,
At the time I had a KUKA robot here at work which I used for cnc machining and the beauty of this is a massive machining volume and it can get around to almost any angle. Moving a bunch of stuff out of the way in the workshop meant I could squeeze the car in there wrapped in shrink wrap, block it up with left over foam board and machine the design on the car!. This was nerve wracking as any mistake in the set up, datuming or tool path could result in the robot smashing through the car!.. so, carefully does it.
It was immediately obvious, even part way through machining, that the proportions of features were way off!, looked good on the CAD screen, didn't work in real life. take a look at this image:
You can see the sill section highlighted here looks way to thin straight away and the split to the wheel arch was too low.
The great thing with having all the tools available to you is you can stop, go back to the CAD, make a change, and machine it in straight away.... a few hours later and I'd tweeked the design, a squirt of expanding foam and I was ready to re-machine:
much better.
tribetype40 said:
So, where did we get to... that's right, this image:
After this image I was pretty set on this design but it obviously needed work and I set about seeing this in full scale to review,
At the time I had a KUKA robot here at work which I used for cnc machining and the beauty of this is a massive machining volume and it can get around to almost any angle. Moving a bunch of stuff out of the way in the workshop meant I could squeeze the car in there wrapped in shrink wrap, block it up with left over foam board and machine the design on the car!. This was nerve wracking as any mistake in the set up, datuming or tool path could result in the robot smashing through the car!.. so, carefully does it.
It was immediately obvious, even part way through machining, that the proportions of features were way off!, looked good on the CAD screen, didn't work in real life. take a look at this image:
You can see the sill section highlighted here looks way to thin straight away and the split to the wheel arch was too low.
The great thing with having all the tools available to you is you can stop, go back to the CAD, make a change, and machine it in straight away.... a few hours later and I'd tweeked the design, a squirt of expanding foam and I was ready to re-machine:
much better.
This is proper next level stuffAfter this image I was pretty set on this design but it obviously needed work and I set about seeing this in full scale to review,
At the time I had a KUKA robot here at work which I used for cnc machining and the beauty of this is a massive machining volume and it can get around to almost any angle. Moving a bunch of stuff out of the way in the workshop meant I could squeeze the car in there wrapped in shrink wrap, block it up with left over foam board and machine the design on the car!. This was nerve wracking as any mistake in the set up, datuming or tool path could result in the robot smashing through the car!.. so, carefully does it.
It was immediately obvious, even part way through machining, that the proportions of features were way off!, looked good on the CAD screen, didn't work in real life. take a look at this image:
You can see the sill section highlighted here looks way to thin straight away and the split to the wheel arch was too low.
The great thing with having all the tools available to you is you can stop, go back to the CAD, make a change, and machine it in straight away.... a few hours later and I'd tweeked the design, a squirt of expanding foam and I was ready to re-machine:
much better.
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