LK07CFA Stolen Silver DB9

[Debbiesd]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 23 November 2024 at 10:13

[Simpo Two]

The MOT still has four months to run. What's the full story?

[LTP]

No tracker active?

[Debbiesd]

Simpo Two said:

The MOT still has four months to run. What's the full story?

MOT expired 12 OCT 22

Taken by a dealer to do an apraisal, he went quiet, we asked for them back, usual story about deposit taken will all be sorted shortly, now says has sold them and not got the money... Police are interested but not very. This sales person it turns out has a track record ( and criminal record for similar) and i have also recently found out was selling cars during the daytime from a local `High end` dealership while on day release and going back to the nick every night.

we cant find any info on tracker fitment.

[Jon39]

Debbiesd said:

MOT expired 12 OCT 22

Taken by a dealer to do an apraisal, he went quiet, we asked for them back, usual story about deposit taken will all be sorted shortly, now says has sold them and not got the money... Police are interested but not very. This sales person it turns out has a track record ( and criminal record for similar) and i have also recently found out was selling cars during the daytime from a local `High end` dealership while on day release and going back to the nick every night.

we cant find any info on tracker fitment.

What a truly sorry tale.

I wonder what the insurance position is ?
Presume you gave the key (and therefore permission) for the motor dealer to take your car, but only for an appraisal of some kind.
The illegality began when the dealer sold the car (was that without your permission?), so at that point theft occurred.

We hear about insurers declining theft claims when keys are for example, left in or on a car, but in your case, the theft occurred during the course of a conventional motor trade transcation.

An insurer could not therefore say, that you failed to take reasonable care of your property.
If you cannot recover the car, then hopefully your insurers will settle the claim.

Your description about the day release from prison seems staight out of the TV programme Porridge.
Unbelievable.

Expect the police know far more about the villains, than they will reveal to you.
They are under great pressure these days. We are told they are extremely busy dealing with discrimination, violations, police misconduct, diversity and providing refreshments to protesting people glued to roads.

Hope there will be a happy ending for you.

Presumably the convicted criminal can be openly named now. At least that might warn other Aston owners.

Silver appears in so many registration documents, but what is the exact colour name ?
Might help us to keep a look out.

Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 20th June 17:23

[phumy]

Did you also give him the V5, how can he sell it without having that?

[Simpo Two]

I put the TVR reg no in and to my surprise got these:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-tvr-chima... - presumably when the OP bought it?

And here: https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/130327/1... 'stolen on test drive'.

DB9 comes up as SORN: https://car-check.co.uk/check/LK07CFA so no MOT needed.

Sorry that's all I can find.

Looks like you may have to go after the directors, but that's a whole other ballgame. He wasn't called Charlie was he?

Edited by Simpo Two on Tuesday 20th June 18:55

[Jon39]

Simpo Two said:

And here: https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/130327/1... 'stolen on test drive'.

I cannot understand this.
The advert heading states 'Stolen on test drive', but there are no further references, or explanations.

Is that just supposed to make buyers think, they are getting a bargain price?
Is it being sold by the rightful owner?
Is it being sold by the thief?
What is the significance of the test drive?

[Debbiesd]

Jon39 said:

I cannot understand this.
The advert heading states 'Stolen on test drive', but there are no further references, or explanations.

Is that just supposed to make buyers think, they are getting a bargain price?
Is it being sold by the rightful owner?
Is it being sold by the thief?
What is the significance of the test drive?

This `advert` is by a client of mine trying to be `helpful` but not being helpful at all.Just trying to draw attention to the car if anyone is looking at buying it.
Fundamentally this is what Im doing, hoping somebody sees it somewhere, The last thing i want is someone buying the car, then having it taken off them , I just want them back. i cant afford to lose this kind of money

Any Help gratefully recieved

[Jon39]

Debbiesd said:

This `advert` is by a client of mine trying to be `helpful` but not being helpful at all.Just trying to draw attention to the car if anyone is looking at buying it.
Fundamentally this is what Im doing, hoping somebody sees it somewhere, The last thing i want is someone buying the car, then having it taken off them , I just want them back. i cant afford to lose this kind of money

Any Help gratefully recieved

Ref. my earlier post.
How are you getting on with your insurers?

It does appear from your description, to be theft while the vehicle(s) were in the custody of a motor trade firm.
They might try the; "You handed over the car, so we are not paying". However the theft occurred later and separately. It is therefore an unrelated matter to the everyday common aspect, of putting our cars into the hands of a motor dealer.

[Debbiesd]

Jon39 said:

Ref. my earlier post.
How are you getting on with your insurers?

It does appear from your description, to be theft while the vehicle(s) were in the custody of a motor trade firm.
They might try the; "You handed over the car, so we are not paying". However the theft occurred later and separately. It is therefore an unrelated matter to the everyday common aspect, of putting our cars into the hands of a motor dealer.

Thanks Jon,

The insurers current position is that the keys were handed over/ not insured. Any help/advice gratefully received

[Hoofy]

Was this a Sale or Return agreement?

Can you contact your local Trading Standards? Maybe they can help.

I suspect your money is gone.

In which case, I would also be contacting the national newspapers and making his name dirty so nobody will trust him and he won't be able to cheat anyone else... assuming you have full proof so he doesn't sue for liable.

Am I going over the top?

[Jon39]

Debbiesd said:

Thanks Jon,

The insurers current position is that the keys were handed over/ not insured. Any help/advice gratefully received

As I suspected, they have tossed a red herring.

PHers here hand over the keys to their Astons to motor dealers every day.
It is an accepted normal activity. We cannot be expected to think every time, this dealer might be a crook.

Say an AM main dealer had your car for inspection or maintenance, then it was subsequently stolen from their premises by an employee. Or even taken by an employee and crashed.
Would an insurer say, not covered because you handed over the keys?

Unless the person you gave the keys to had a striped jumper, a ball and leg chain and was holding bolt cutters, how were you to anticipate subsequent dishonesty? If you acted in a reasonable and responsible manner to safeguard your insured property, an insurer cannot expect more than that.

I would be arguing with the insurer, because they are using hindsight trying to avoid paying your claim.

[Wacky Racer]

Contact the Insurance Ombudsman.

I can see the insurance companies point though. (A bit)

[Far Cough]

I suspect that the Police and the insurance company are being luke warm as they see it as a civil matter.

[Gnevans]

Had this done to me.

Police won’t help

Insurers not interested

Forged the V5

Carried on trading and did the same to many Maserati/Ferrari owners. Someone ended up in court over this (not the thief)

Best bet is to get them to sign some a car of similar value over to you. Take some muscle.

I got nothing back.

[M1AGM]

This is ridiculous. So on that basis if I take a car for an MOT or service, for example, hand over the keys, go get a coffee, and return to be told my car has vanished and I'm not getting it back, thats it? No car, no insurance, nothing?

[Hoofy]

WTF. In that case, I'm setting up a high end car servicing business this afternoon. Seems like free money.

[Simpo Two]

Jon39 said:

As I suspected, they have tossed a red herring...

I would be arguing with the insurer, because they are using hindsight trying to avoid paying your claim.

Agreed; the first battle to fight here is with the insurance company; don't take no for an answer. But first maybe post a precis of this on the SPL forum (Speed Plod & Law) and try to get your options clear. The case seems to be:

Gave two cars to a trader to sell on a sale or return basis.
Trader sold them but kept the money.
Insurers are not paying out as 'keys were handed over'.
What are my options?

Whatever you say, make sure it's accurate and full, as any subsequent advice could be wrong as a result.

[Hoofy]

Simpo Two said:

Jon39 said:

As I suspected, they have tossed a red herring...

I would be arguing with the insurer, because they are using hindsight trying to avoid paying your claim.

Agreed; the first battle to fight here is with the insurance company; don't take no for an answer. But first maybe post a precis of this on the SPL forum (Speed Plod & Law) and try to get your options clear. The case seems to be:

Gave two cars to a trader to sell on a sale or return basis.
Trader sold them but kept the money.
Insurers are not paying out as 'keys were handed over'.
What are my options?

Whatever you say, make sure it's accurate and full, as any subsequent advice could be wrong as a result.

Could we just link to this thread? I'm really curious to know what the answer is. (But not because I want to set up a new scumbag business! )