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Car bon said:
There was too much complacency on the remain side - it seemed so blindingly obvious that they didn't campaign / educate enough.
It's difficult to see what else they could have done when the weight of the press is supporting the leave side which suppresses the message... and facts.Plus, you had hardline Brexiteers incapable of understanding fact and reason even when it was presented starkly to them. There was chap on LBC; boss of a major haulage firm, talking of the difficulties that would impact on cross-channel crossings if we left. The following caller with no experience of international freight logistics suggested he didn't know what he was talking about and was just scare-mongering. How do you overcome that level of intransigence? It would have been easier to convince flat-earthers that their views are wrong.
audidoody said:
I love the delusions of hard-of-thinking Remainers always thinking in terms of "racists" and "xenophobes".
The EU isn't Europe or any one of the sovereign countries in Europe. It's a cabal of unaccountable Caucasian federalist technocrats
What is xenophobic about not wanting the UK to be part of that?
Show us on the doll where the unaccountable Caucasian federalist technocrat touched you....The EU isn't Europe or any one of the sovereign countries in Europe. It's a cabal of unaccountable Caucasian federalist technocrats
What is xenophobic about not wanting the UK to be part of that?
StevieBee said:
It's difficult to see what else they could have done when the weight of the press is supporting the leave side which suppresses the message... and facts.
Plus, you had hardline Brexiteers incapable of understanding fact and reason even when it was presented starkly to them. There was chap on LBC; boss of a major haulage firm, talking of the difficulties that would impact on cross-channel crossings if we left. The following caller with no experience of international freight logistics suggested he didn't know what he was talking about and was just scare-mongering. How do you overcome that level of intransigence? It would have been easier to convince flat-earthers that their views are wrong.
Are you sure it wasn’t just Nick Ferrari bringing his usual level of knowledge to the topic? Plus, you had hardline Brexiteers incapable of understanding fact and reason even when it was presented starkly to them. There was chap on LBC; boss of a major haulage firm, talking of the difficulties that would impact on cross-channel crossings if we left. The following caller with no experience of international freight logistics suggested he didn't know what he was talking about and was just scare-mongering. How do you overcome that level of intransigence? It would have been easier to convince flat-earthers that their views are wrong.
StevieBee said:
It's difficult to see what else they could have done when the weight of the press is supporting the leave side which suppresses the message... and facts.
Plus, you had hardline Brexiteers incapable of understanding fact and reason even when it was presented starkly to them. There was chap on LBC; boss of a major haulage firm, talking of the difficulties that would impact on cross-channel crossings if we left. The following caller with no experience of international freight logistics suggested he didn't know what he was talking about and was just scare-mongering. How do you overcome that level of intransigence? It would have been easier to convince flat-earthers that their views are wrong.
I am pro membership of the EU and campaigned actively to remain. I will concede however that the remain campaign was poor.Plus, you had hardline Brexiteers incapable of understanding fact and reason even when it was presented starkly to them. There was chap on LBC; boss of a major haulage firm, talking of the difficulties that would impact on cross-channel crossings if we left. The following caller with no experience of international freight logistics suggested he didn't know what he was talking about and was just scare-mongering. How do you overcome that level of intransigence? It would have been easier to convince flat-earthers that their views are wrong.
The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
StevieBee said:
It's difficult to see what else they could have done when the weight of the press is supporting the leave side which suppresses the message... and facts.
That's a joke post?All the cards were in the remain camps hand, including the majority of the print and TV press. The remain side also had the government, spending tax payers money sending leaflets to every household.
It was remarkable they lost the vote with the advantages they had.
The reality was most people had made their mind up long before the campaigns began and the reasons for the vote they cast were far more nuanced that the economics.
ClaphamGT3 said:
I am pro membership of the EU and campaigned actively to remain. I will concede however that the remain campaign was poor.
The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
There was plenty of logic applied by people who voted to leave, the priorities and life experience of being members of the EU had a different impact on their lives compared to those who wanted to remain.The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
Just like any vote, including the upcoming GE, ignore the others sides issues and motivations at your peril.
To make a statement as you have is a problem for you, you are closed minded and blinkered and thst attitude can often lead to you losing without understanding why and without the ability to learn and address things for the future.
ClaphamGT3 said:
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The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
Disagree. The Remain campaign also relied on using fear, which is a pretty powerful emotion, to try and win the argument (examples being IIRC predictions of house price crashes, emergency budgets etc etc).The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
EddieSteadyGo said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
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The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
Disagree. The Remain campaign also relied on using fear, which is a pretty powerful emotion, to try and win the argument (examples being IIRC predictions of house price crashes, emergency budgets etc etc).The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
As we've seen, remain was correct. Whoda thunk that leaving the EU would result in border checks... Like the French do with any other non EU country...
captain_cynic said:
As we've seen, remain was correct. Whoda thunk that leaving the EU would result in border checks... Like the French do with any other non EU country...
Err, we and they always had boarder checks.. we’ve had French boarder control and douane in Kent for as long as I can remember. UK boarder force on French ports too.Eurostar, Eurotunnel, Ferry, sea cat, hovercraft..
captain_cynic said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
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The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
Disagree. The Remain campaign also relied on using fear, which is a pretty powerful emotion, to try and win the argument (examples being IIRC predictions of house price crashes, emergency budgets etc etc).The main issue - as your post highlights - was that remain relied on logic, reason and rationale for voting remain. Leave very successfully tapped into sentiment and emotion.
As we've seen, remain was correct. Whoda thunk that leaving the EU would result in border checks... Like the French do with any other non EU country...
Leave also used fear as a campaigning tactic, but, as I said, so did Remain.
With the benefit of hindsight, the government blundered their initial tactics. They needed a few more modest concessions to avoid the EU being presented as arrogant and haughty. That would have resulted in a significant Remain win, and far less disruption to everyone. It could have been achieved in a number of ways prior to committing to a simple "take it or leave it" referendum. The truth is the official Remain campaign was flacid.
And I wanted Remain BTW....
Going back to the original topic…
If taking items out of the UK to Europe, and customs stop for a check, how do they prove/you prove they are being brought/not being brought back?
Also, if someone was driving goods to a second home in Bosnia for instance, so they were going from UK through EU then back out again, would they be insisting on duty being paid, then being refunded at the other end?
None of the above matters to me, just wondering.
I’ll be driving a car out to a second home in the EU next month so will see if we get stopped. Not taking anything of much value out, so if duty needs to be paid that’s life. Does duty need to be paid on all items though? Or only over a certain value?
If taking items out of the UK to Europe, and customs stop for a check, how do they prove/you prove they are being brought/not being brought back?
Also, if someone was driving goods to a second home in Bosnia for instance, so they were going from UK through EU then back out again, would they be insisting on duty being paid, then being refunded at the other end?
None of the above matters to me, just wondering.
I’ll be driving a car out to a second home in the EU next month so will see if we get stopped. Not taking anything of much value out, so if duty needs to be paid that’s life. Does duty need to be paid on all items though? Or only over a certain value?
elise2000 said:
Going back to the original topic…
If taking items out of the UK to Europe, and customs stop for a check, how do they prove/you prove they are being brought/not being brought back?
Also, if someone was driving goods to a second home in Bosnia for instance, so they were going from UK through EU then back out again, would they be insisting on duty being paid, then being refunded at the other end?
None of the above matters to me, just wondering.
I’ll be driving a car out to a second home in the EU next month so will see if we get stopped. Not taking anything of much value out, so if duty needs to be paid that’s life. Does duty need to be paid on all items though? Or only over a certain value?
If it’s being brought in, then it’s being imported, unless you have the correct documents to prove it is being brought back. You sort the duties out with the correct paperwork for the end destination to avoid paying it in each country. In other words, it’s on you to do the paperwork right. If taking items out of the UK to Europe, and customs stop for a check, how do they prove/you prove they are being brought/not being brought back?
Also, if someone was driving goods to a second home in Bosnia for instance, so they were going from UK through EU then back out again, would they be insisting on duty being paid, then being refunded at the other end?
None of the above matters to me, just wondering.
I’ll be driving a car out to a second home in the EU next month so will see if we get stopped. Not taking anything of much value out, so if duty needs to be paid that’s life. Does duty need to be paid on all items though? Or only over a certain value?
That’s paperwork that wasn’t needed previously, but things are much simpler now that we’re free of the bureaucracy of the EU
LF5335 said:
elise2000 said:
Going back to the original topic…
If taking items out of the UK to Europe, and customs stop for a check, how do they prove/you prove they are being brought/not being brought back?
Also, if someone was driving goods to a second home in Bosnia for instance, so they were going from UK through EU then back out again, would they be insisting on duty being paid, then being refunded at the other end?
None of the above matters to me, just wondering.
I’ll be driving a car out to a second home in the EU next month so will see if we get stopped. Not taking anything of much value out, so if duty needs to be paid that’s life. Does duty need to be paid on all items though? Or only over a certain value?
If it’s being brought in, then it’s being imported, unless you have the correct documents to prove it is being brought back. You sort the duties out with the correct paperwork for the end destination to avoid paying it in each country. In other words, it’s on you to do the paperwork right. If taking items out of the UK to Europe, and customs stop for a check, how do they prove/you prove they are being brought/not being brought back?
Also, if someone was driving goods to a second home in Bosnia for instance, so they were going from UK through EU then back out again, would they be insisting on duty being paid, then being refunded at the other end?
None of the above matters to me, just wondering.
I’ll be driving a car out to a second home in the EU next month so will see if we get stopped. Not taking anything of much value out, so if duty needs to be paid that’s life. Does duty need to be paid on all items though? Or only over a certain value?
That’s paperwork that wasn’t needed previously, but things are much simpler now that we’re free of the bureaucracy of the EU
If people emigrate to the EU do they have to pay import tax on personal possessions?
elise2000 said:
What paperwork could prove it was being brought back though? What would ensure it ever was?
If people emigrate to the EU do they have to pay import tax on personal possessions?
The paperwork that shows you took it out. You’d have had to prove it was going back when you brought it into the UK. If it was pre-Brexit. Tough. Blame the UK government for not negotiating better, but you know they Got Brexit Done. If people emigrate to the EU do they have to pay import tax on personal possessions?
Yes. Personal experience of that in 2021. There are exceptions and reliefs and it probably varies by country, but the key message is yes.
LF5335 said:
elise2000 said:
What paperwork could prove it was being brought back though? What would ensure it ever was?
If people emigrate to the EU do they have to pay import tax on personal possessions?
The paperwork that shows you took it out. You’d have had to prove it was going back when you brought it into the UK. If it was pre-Brexit. Tough. Blame the UK government for not negotiating better, but you know they Got Brexit Done. If people emigrate to the EU do they have to pay import tax on personal possessions?
Yes. Personal experience of that in 2021. There are exceptions and reliefs and it probably varies by country, but the key message is yes.
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