Who's going sailing and where?
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Jaguar steve said:
Won't work - will it?
As far as I can see from the RYA site you need to do the practical assessment, send the certificate you get from passing that to the RYA along with fifty quid and a Gestapo standard of identification and only then will they issue your ICC.
That'll never happen all in a day and I'm not sure I'd want to risk an encounter with local port authority without an ICC in my grubby mitt now somebody's suddenly invented the need for one even if I'd passed the assessment a few days before because being refused permission to leave port unless I took on a paid skipper which is the only solution if that happened would ruin the entire holiday.
And another thing - why do you have to cough up to renew your ICC every 5 years when every other certificate the RYA deem you're worthy of last a lifetime? It can't be about having up to date ID or preventing fraud as the RYA claims it is because my VHF is nearly 25 old and has both an astonishingly young looking photo of me on it and an old address and my YM ticket is so ancient it doesn't even have space for any photo at all and both of those are still perfectly valid.
There's a distinct whiff of some greedy B'stard inventing a problem and then making money out of selling the solution about the whole affair to me.
In the grand scheme of things it’s cheap. A one time assessment £300 and £50 every 5 years. It’s not going away and more countries will eventually swap to it I suspect just narrowing your options. As far as I can see from the RYA site you need to do the practical assessment, send the certificate you get from passing that to the RYA along with fifty quid and a Gestapo standard of identification and only then will they issue your ICC.
That'll never happen all in a day and I'm not sure I'd want to risk an encounter with local port authority without an ICC in my grubby mitt now somebody's suddenly invented the need for one even if I'd passed the assessment a few days before because being refused permission to leave port unless I took on a paid skipper which is the only solution if that happened would ruin the entire holiday.
And another thing - why do you have to cough up to renew your ICC every 5 years when every other certificate the RYA deem you're worthy of last a lifetime? It can't be about having up to date ID or preventing fraud as the RYA claims it is because my VHF is nearly 25 old and has both an astonishingly young looking photo of me on it and an old address and my YM ticket is so ancient it doesn't even have space for any photo at all and both of those are still perfectly valid.
There's a distinct whiff of some greedy B'stard inventing a problem and then making money out of selling the solution about the whole affair to me.
ecsrobin said:
Jaguar steve said:
Won't work - will it?
As far as I can see from the RYA site you need to do the practical assessment, send the certificate you get from passing that to the RYA along with fifty quid and a Gestapo standard of identification and only then will they issue your ICC.
That'll never happen all in a day and I'm not sure I'd want to risk an encounter with local port authority without an ICC in my grubby mitt now somebody's suddenly invented the need for one even if I'd passed the assessment a few days before because being refused permission to leave port unless I took on a paid skipper which is the only solution if that happened would ruin the entire holiday.
And another thing - why do you have to cough up to renew your ICC every 5 years when every other certificate the RYA deem you're worthy of last a lifetime? It can't be about having up to date ID or preventing fraud as the RYA claims it is because my VHF is nearly 25 old and has both an astonishingly young looking photo of me on it and an old address and my YM ticket is so ancient it doesn't even have space for any photo at all and both of those are still perfectly valid.
There's a distinct whiff of some greedy B'stard inventing a problem and then making money out of selling the solution about the whole affair to me.
In the grand scheme of things it’s cheap. A one time assessment £300 and £50 every 5 years. It’s not going away and more countries will eventually swap to it I suspect just narrowing your options. As far as I can see from the RYA site you need to do the practical assessment, send the certificate you get from passing that to the RYA along with fifty quid and a Gestapo standard of identification and only then will they issue your ICC.
That'll never happen all in a day and I'm not sure I'd want to risk an encounter with local port authority without an ICC in my grubby mitt now somebody's suddenly invented the need for one even if I'd passed the assessment a few days before because being refused permission to leave port unless I took on a paid skipper which is the only solution if that happened would ruin the entire holiday.
And another thing - why do you have to cough up to renew your ICC every 5 years when every other certificate the RYA deem you're worthy of last a lifetime? It can't be about having up to date ID or preventing fraud as the RYA claims it is because my VHF is nearly 25 old and has both an astonishingly young looking photo of me on it and an old address and my YM ticket is so ancient it doesn't even have space for any photo at all and both of those are still perfectly valid.
There's a distinct whiff of some greedy B'stard inventing a problem and then making money out of selling the solution about the whole affair to me.
Consider how many hundreds of thousands of people charter in the Med every year the assessment and ICC certificates are a massive additional income stream for the RYA so it's no surprise whatsoever the self appointed Guardians of Certificates have been so keen to envegle themselves in every aspect of setting the standard of what's required and charging as much as they can for providing it. .
For a charity whose original brief was to ensure fairness in measuring racing boats and the freedom of the seas and promotion and safeguarding the interests of leisure sailors I'm struggling to see past the blatant commercialised rip-off it's now become.
Jaguar steve said:
It's another £400 per skipper over the next 10 years though, plus the ball-ache of having to go and do the course. And what for exactly - five or six people faffing about on a boat for a day and a hour or so admin at RYA central? That's two and a half grand Chaps, thanks.
Consider how many hundreds of thousands of people charter in the Med every year the assessment and ICC certificates are a massive additional income stream for the RYA so it's no surprise whatsoever the self appointed Guardians of Certificates have been so keen to envegle themselves in every aspect of setting the standard of what's required and charging as much as they can for providing it. .
For a charity whose original brief was to ensure fairness in measuring racing boats and the freedom of the seas and promotion and safeguarding the interests of leisure sailors I'm struggling to see past the blatant commercialised rip-off it's now become.
You only need 1 skipper to book? Or am I missing something? Consider how many hundreds of thousands of people charter in the Med every year the assessment and ICC certificates are a massive additional income stream for the RYA so it's no surprise whatsoever the self appointed Guardians of Certificates have been so keen to envegle themselves in every aspect of setting the standard of what's required and charging as much as they can for providing it. .
For a charity whose original brief was to ensure fairness in measuring racing boats and the freedom of the seas and promotion and safeguarding the interests of leisure sailors I'm struggling to see past the blatant commercialised rip-off it's now become.
ecsrobin said:
Jaguar steve said:
It's another £400 per skipper over the next 10 years though, plus the ball-ache of having to go and do the course. And what for exactly - five or six people faffing about on a boat for a day and a hour or so admin at RYA central? That's two and a half grand Chaps, thanks.
Consider how many hundreds of thousands of people charter in the Med every year the assessment and ICC certificates are a massive additional income stream for the RYA so it's no surprise whatsoever the self appointed Guardians of Certificates have been so keen to envegle themselves in every aspect of setting the standard of what's required and charging as much as they can for providing it. .
For a charity whose original brief was to ensure fairness in measuring racing boats and the freedom of the seas and promotion and safeguarding the interests of leisure sailors I'm struggling to see past the blatant commercialised rip-off it's now become.
You only need 1 skipper to book? Or am I missing something? Consider how many hundreds of thousands of people charter in the Med every year the assessment and ICC certificates are a massive additional income stream for the RYA so it's no surprise whatsoever the self appointed Guardians of Certificates have been so keen to envegle themselves in every aspect of setting the standard of what's required and charging as much as they can for providing it. .
For a charity whose original brief was to ensure fairness in measuring racing boats and the freedom of the seas and promotion and safeguarding the interests of leisure sailors I'm struggling to see past the blatant commercialised rip-off it's now become.
It's one skipper to charter of course but it's tens if not hundreds of thousands of skippers being forced to cough up for an additional level of bureaucracy and courses the self-serving RYA is screwing an substantial additional income from.
The cost to a non-member (you'd guessed hadn't you
) to get an ICC by using another practical qualification used to be £30. It's now been hiked up to £50 for exactly the same thing and the sail and power qualifications are no longer interchangeable either. And why is the ICC only valid for 5 years? Do all your skills suddenly evaporate after then? If so with my prehistoric last century qualifications I'm in very deep merde indeed. What's that all about if it's not about making money and for a charity that's meant to be representing the interests of leisure sailors that's an absolute racket and pretty poor in my view.
Jaguar steve said:
PushedDover said:
Ballsy, but go there and do it on day one 
- or fly out a day early. We did that a few years ago and accessed much cheaper flights. It would pay for your ICC
Won't work - will it? - or fly out a day early. We did that a few years ago and accessed much cheaper flights. It would pay for your ICC I know a guy
All Legit and having seen your posts over the years : job done (unless s
t has changed in the last four years)You are right JS, it is not possible to do the assessment onsite the day before the charter, as you still need the actual certificate in hand (issued by the RYA for UK citizens) which will take a few weeks.
Join the RYA and they waive the cost of the ICC.
It's not really the RYA pushing for the ICC requirement. In Greece, at least, they are still campaigning for the Day Skipper ticket to be accepted as proof of competence. It is the individual countries who decide what they will accept as proof of competence, so I think you are being a little unfair on the RYA here.
I think it was the United Nations that came up with the idea of the ICC. It hasn't been driven by the RYA, although they do administer it (and to be fair, who else would in the UK?).
Join the RYA and they waive the cost of the ICC.
It's not really the RYA pushing for the ICC requirement. In Greece, at least, they are still campaigning for the Day Skipper ticket to be accepted as proof of competence. It is the individual countries who decide what they will accept as proof of competence, so I think you are being a little unfair on the RYA here.
I think it was the United Nations that came up with the idea of the ICC. It hasn't been driven by the RYA, although they do administer it (and to be fair, who else would in the UK?).
No one else this year?
We've just 'familied' holiday in an apartment in Camp de Mer, Mallorca, and now been boosted to book 'Mr & Mrs' holiday. Green light given for sailing
Booking the same twin cabin we've used before to loaf around Turkey late September.
Naturally, my ICC expires one week before it seems ! FFS.
We've just 'familied' holiday in an apartment in Camp de Mer, Mallorca, and now been boosted to book 'Mr & Mrs' holiday. Green light given for sailing
Booking the same twin cabin we've used before to loaf around Turkey late September.
Naturally, my ICC expires one week before it seems ! FFS.
I'm just back from the annual 2 week jaunt around the Ionian. Fabulous time as always. Was relatively quiet for August which was a pleasant surprise.
Our boat (a Bavaria 45 from 2011 vintage) was brilliant. I do love the Bavaria 45/46 Cruiser range. Ok, so they aren't particularly fancy, but they do the basics so well and are comfy, sail well, easy to handle and reliable.
Sailed in company with friends on a Jeanneau 440 and a Bavaria C57.
Great times.
Jeff had both of his mega yachts in Kastos bay at the same time. My son asked him for a selfie to which he obliged. Sadly, that was the best bit of the holiday for my 12 year old son. 🙄
Our boat (a Bavaria 45 from 2011 vintage) was brilliant. I do love the Bavaria 45/46 Cruiser range. Ok, so they aren't particularly fancy, but they do the basics so well and are comfy, sail well, easy to handle and reliable.
Sailed in company with friends on a Jeanneau 440 and a Bavaria C57.
Great times.
Jeff had both of his mega yachts in Kastos bay at the same time. My son asked him for a selfie to which he obliged. Sadly, that was the best bit of the holiday for my 12 year old son. 🙄
Edited by alfabeat on Monday 21st August 06:26
brickwall said:
I did a quick sail in the Solent earlier in the year.
Now looking at next year. What’s the biggest thing it’s possible to charter bareboat?
Past couple of years I’ve taken a 46ft cat, and I’ve grown to quite liking the niceties of aircon, watermaker, and a decent tender.
Had a 53 last year in Mykonos. Now looking at next year. What’s the biggest thing it’s possible to charter bareboat?
Past couple of years I’ve taken a 46ft cat, and I’ve grown to quite liking the niceties of aircon, watermaker, and a decent tender.
Really enjoyed a Sense 55 several years ago in Croatia {much love, and with all the toys mentioned above, incl washing machine and dishwasher !}
And our own Alfabeat has a Bav C57 well appointed at Nisos
brickwall said:
Yes I’ve spotted the 57ft with a Nisos!
Ideally I want 4+ cabins though.
I’ve done weeks on a Bavaria 56, Hanse 54 and Jeanneau 53. Not as much space as the cats but obviously much nicer to sail.
Will anyone charter out something >60ft mono bareboat?
From what I’ve seen, not without skipper. I’d imagine a steep price increase too as stepping outside of the stock mass market manufacturer boatsIdeally I want 4+ cabins though.
I’ve done weeks on a Bavaria 56, Hanse 54 and Jeanneau 53. Not as much space as the cats but obviously much nicer to sail.
Will anyone charter out something >60ft mono bareboat?
But do share the details if you succeed
brickwall said:
Will anyone charter out something >60ft mono bareboat?
64 footer? https://gmm-yachting.com/en/yacht-charter-turkey-j...It doesn't say whether a skipper is compulsory and perhaps the Turks are desparate and would do a deal.
(also for sale......)
(stumbled upon it looking for booking our 2024 boat)
The weather this October in the Ionian has been superb. High 20's during the day, warm waters and good weather.
Just coming to the end of a weeks sailing with my two sons (15 and 13). It's been fantastic and so quiet everywhere which is a rarity these days.
In Vathi on Ithica at the moment for the Oxi day parade this morning, then heading up to Corfu.
Perfect training weather for my lads and the older one is parking the boat really well now. The younger one is a superb crew member, anticipating exactly what needs to be done without asking.
I've had the very best time with my two boys. Great holidays for bringing out the best in people.
Just coming to the end of a weeks sailing with my two sons (15 and 13). It's been fantastic and so quiet everywhere which is a rarity these days.
In Vathi on Ithica at the moment for the Oxi day parade this morning, then heading up to Corfu.
Perfect training weather for my lads and the older one is parking the boat really well now. The younger one is a superb crew member, anticipating exactly what needs to be done without asking.
I've had the very best time with my two boys. Great holidays for bringing out the best in people.
Ahoy there.
Anyone down for 2024 yet?
We've had another couple ask too many times to join us in the past to ignore, and one of my biking besties is keen to return to the water, so a Bavaria 50 Style out of Gocek is booked for us in June.
Should be sufficient comfortable for those unaccustomed and I have given plenty of warning pre-booking that we will not be in natty gear stepping ashore in posh frocks at marinas for those bling restaurants everyone envisages that sailing entails (Portals, Palma, Hvar etc)
Anyone down for 2024 yet?
We've had another couple ask too many times to join us in the past to ignore, and one of my biking besties is keen to return to the water, so a Bavaria 50 Style out of Gocek is booked for us in June.
Should be sufficient comfortable for those unaccustomed and I have given plenty of warning pre-booking that we will not be in natty gear stepping ashore in posh frocks at marinas for those bling restaurants everyone envisages that sailing entails (Portals, Palma, Hvar etc)
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