Ducati Superquadro Mono 659cc single

[25th QV]

Objectively I think it's great, but for the relatively small price difference, I'd go with the Hypermotard 950

Edited by 25th QV on Wednesday 15th November 20:30

[airsafari87]

Video up on Bike World now.

I still want one

https://youtu.be/TRvjCrYbMkw?si=coCYs1_3hobBjLeM

[Caddyshack]

I was talking with some mates about the Hypermotard 950 and they said they had been away touring with a chap who brought one along - they said he was mad on it and was at the front of the pack a lot until the speeds got higher and then he was left behind - I assume this would be when they did licence losing speeds on fast stretches of road.

Is the 950 likely to get mega windy over 100/110 mph and not really comfortable above there?

[TimmyWimmyWoo]

Yes. I had a 950SP for a year and loved it, but I'm not sure I often took it north of 80mph!

[Caddyshack]

TimmyWimmyWoo said:

Yes. I had a 950SP for a year and loved it, but I'm not sure I often took it north of 80mph!

You did a YouTube vid on that which was very interesting.


The guy in the vid, linked above really knows how to show off and was great to watch. I love the look of this new one, I think it would be a 3rd bike for me though.

[Gee68]

Caddyshack said:

I was talking with some mates about the Hypermotard 950 and they said they had been away touring with a chap who brought one along - they said he was mad on it and was at the front of the pack a lot until the speeds got higher and then he was left behind - I assume this would be when they did licence losing speeds on fast stretches of road.

Is the 950 likely to get mega windy over 100/110 mph and not really comfortable above there?

I have one now,on track days anything above three figures gets uncomfortable quite quickly.
It’s an ok bike but i I’ve just not gelled with it..
I’m looking to swap for a 701 or the new Duke to go full hooligan.

[Caddyshack]

Gee68 said:

Caddyshack said:

I was talking with some mates about the Hypermotard 950 and they said they had been away touring with a chap who brought one along - they said he was mad on it and was at the front of the pack a lot until the speeds got higher and then he was left behind - I assume this would be when they did licence losing speeds on fast stretches of road.

Is the 950 likely to get mega windy over 100/110 mph and not really comfortable above there?

I have one now,on track days anything above three figures gets uncomfortable quite quickly.
It’s an ok bike but i I’ve just not gelled with it..
I’m looking to swap for a 701 or the new Duke to go full hooligan.

Thanks, pretty much what I was thinking. The 701 does look a good hooligan bike.


I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

[Krikkit]

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

Most of the 6-axis IMU bikes can, unless you just dump the clutch in 1st and full throttle perhaps

[Caddyshack]

Krikkit said:

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

Most of the 6-axis IMU bikes can, unless you just dump the clutch in 1st and full throttle perhaps

I think this is different though, my APRILIA rs would cut the power and bring the wheel back down, if you watch the YouTube clip posted earlier this helps you stay in the wheelie without going too high, it feathers the throttle at the balance point.

[slopes]

CoolHands said:

Hypermotard 698 Mono looks fantastic. Yes will be more expensive in every aspect than KTM but buyers will know that. I’ve had a couple of KTMs and they’re great, but do bring out the hooligan in you.

12 litre tank is a pisser though, can probably only do 80 miles if that!



My old KTM

Going off those pictures, the KTM looks better in my eyes.

I can't help thinking Ducati have missed a trick here. Look at what CCM make, look at how eagerly anticipated each Thornton Hundred bike is, Triumph making a 400 single. Ducati could stick this engine into a small lightweight cafe racer style bike and make a killing

[Kawasicki]

Krikkit said:

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

Most of the 6-axis IMU bikes can, unless you just dump the clutch in 1st and full throttle perhaps

You can’t flip the bike no matter what you do, imho!

[Caddyshack]

Kawasicki said:

Krikkit said:

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

Most of the 6-axis IMU bikes can, unless you just dump the clutch in 1st and full throttle perhaps

You can’t flip the bike no matter what you do, imho!

I assume you mean all bikes with 6 axis or do you mean this Ducati? That is reason to buy one in itself...although doing wheelies is not great for the licence. A bloke rode away from Loomies on Saturday on an RD350 and did a little power wheelie...the Policeman sat on his bike was shaking his head but luckily didn't go after him.

As mentioned above, I think this Ducati system is there to help keep the wheelie going and not end it like the other systems do.

My Aprilia one was way too harsh and only had on or off, it cut the power and you went back down quickly then had a momentary pause before the power came back.

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

slopes said:

Going off those pictures, the KTM looks better in my eyes.

I can't help thinking Ducati have missed a trick here. Look at what CCM make, look at how eagerly anticipated each Thornton Hundred bike is, Triumph making a 400 single. Ducati could stick this engine into a small lightweight cafe racer style bike and make a killing

They probably will. Emissions regulations will probably kill off the air cooled 797 Monster and Scramblers soon enough. I think they're future proofing here and most of the early Ducati bikes were singles.

[carlo996]

Watched a vid on this yesterday, it looks epic, expensive, single minded, but epic!

[Hungrymc]

Kawasicki said:

Krikkit said:

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

Most of the 6-axis IMU bikes can, unless you just dump the clutch in 1st and full throttle perhaps

You can’t flip the bike no matter what you do, imho!

I understood it to mean you hold the throttle at an excessive opening (the sort of thing that every fibre of your body doesn’t want to do when a wheelie is getting a bit high) and the bike will maintain the angle linked to the setting selected until you roll off / brake. I’m blown away at the thought.

The bike world video described it as a learning aid, but at the same time it seems like it’s taking the most difficult part out of the equation so I’m not sure about that.

I’d imagine the bike can be flipped, too fast a lift / too much upward momentum, back wheel momentarily off the ground… I suspect there will be ways to still flip it.

Looking forward to people sharing a deeper look at it either way.

[KTMsm]

airsafari87 said:

Video up on Bike World now.

I still want one

https://youtu.be/TRvjCrYbMkw?si=coCYs1_3hobBjLeM

The problem with testing it at a track - as he pointed out - is that any bike is fun on a track

What's it like on the road ?

[gareth h]

Caddyshack said:

Jamessd said:

Would’ve thought the termi and upmap are not road legal, in which case it’s hard to argue that the bike’s been hobbled, other than by legislation.

Picture above from eicma shows it with slick tyres, which aren’t road legal either iirc.

True but on most euro 5 bikes under 900cc and twin cylinders or singles you very rarely get more than a few horsepower with a full (non road legal) pipe. I don’t believe a pipe would make that much difference on this cc single unless the new map allows a raise of the rev limit or something like that. Ducati have a recent history with charging a fortune for the pipe and map, I would want the extra power if I knew it was there. As a percentage that is a massive jump in power.

A pipe / filter/ map on a 690 frees up quite a bit of power without more revs, I would assume the same for the Ducati

[airsafari87]

KTMsm said:

The problem with testing it at a track - as he pointed out - is that any bike is fun on a track

What's it like on the road ?

A huge laugh hopefully.

[Krikkit]

Caddyshack said:

Krikkit said:

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if this new Ducati wheelie control can actually stop you flipping the bike when learning to wheelie?

Most of the 6-axis IMU bikes can, unless you just dump the clutch in 1st and full throttle perhaps

I think this is different though, my APRILIA rs would cut the power and bring the wheel back down, if you watch the YouTube clip posted earlier this helps you stay in the wheelie without going too high, it feathers the throttle at the balance point.

I think the newer it gets the more common the wheelie management style comes in.

My mate has a Z H2 and the wheelie control on that just limits the lift angle rather than putting the front back down (at least in whatever setting he rides it in). Sounds epic while it does it as well, the ignition cut gives lovely flames

[Hungrymc]

Krikkit said:

I think the newer it gets the more common the wheelie management style comes in.

My mate has a Z H2 and the wheelie control on that just limits the lift angle rather than putting the front back down (at least in whatever setting he rides it in). Sounds epic while it does it as well, the ignition cut gives lovely flames

My previous S1000RR would hover the front wheel at 3 or 4 inches. I thought that was still where most wheelie control was until I saw the description around this new Ducati. Not sure if I'm just out of date on the more recent systems or if this Ducati is a step change... But I think it is a step change from the descriptions on those launch videos?