Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5
Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5
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hidetheelephants

31,034 posts

210 months

Friday 16th August 2024
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Explosion is pretty big to be a GMLRS, they walloped the road bridge at Kherson with multiple GMLRS and it just poked holes in the roadbed.

borcy

8,104 posts

73 months

Friday 16th August 2024
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https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-all...


Looks like the banking options are reducing for Russia.

Cheib

24,580 posts

192 months

Friday 16th August 2024
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aeropilot said:
FourWheelDrift said:
king arthur said:
Both bridges now down behind Russian positions trapping them between the river Seym and Ukrainian forces.

Two down, one to go.
Anyone would think the Ukranians spent months planning this. Today’s Telegraph Podcast had a bit of detail about the EW Ukraine used…basically requires a lot of expertise to pull it off…would have requires resources deployed between the various troop concentrations. So a lot of intel needed.

jules_s

4,822 posts

250 months

Friday 16th August 2024
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Cheib said:
Anyone would think the Ukranians spent months planning this. Today’s Telegraph Podcast had a bit of detail about the EW Ukraine used…basically requires a lot of expertise to pull it off…would have requires resources deployed between the various troop concentrations. So a lot of intel needed.
Genius in its simplicity -if they succeed it's a blinder

sisu

2,885 posts

190 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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The Russian telegram chatter is bracing for a second thrust in the Donbas. The idea that Ukraine is just going to cut them off from the North is laughed at because they don't think this is the real target but a feint.

On a broader outlook, they still don't have power in Vladivostok. The trains from North Korea and China are a bottle neck. So they can't switch routes or divert energy as its a dead end of the 700kV network. They will be slowly switching it on, using lower voltage lines. But that is assuming there are able to do this without cooking the other transformers as everything is on drawing power.
In theory they can use the coal fired steam locomotives as the North Koreans still operate them.
But there are other issues with the rail system in Russia at the moment and it is a digital system. A slight oversight is once you are inside Russia you can switch anywhere within the Russian network.

I know there is a belief that the Russian rail logistics are able to be repaired and diverted somewhere else over a large country. Given that they hacked into the road traffic system from outside Russia this could be exciting logistically.



Cheib

24,580 posts

192 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Article in The Times this morning say that the UK has asked the US for permission for Ukraine to use Storm Shadow in Russia itself, been waiting a month for an answer apparently. There are apparently four NATO countries who all contribute to decisions like this UK, US, France, and one unnamed (I assume Germany).

US blocks Ukraine from firing British missiles into Russia

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6e40276b-8414-485...

Digga

43,867 posts

300 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Cheib said:
Article in The Times this morning say that the UK has asked the US for permission for Ukraine to use Storm Shadow in Russia itself, been waiting a month for an answer apparently. There are apparently four NATO countries who all contribute to decisions like this UK, US, France, and one unnamed (I assume Germany).

US blocks Ukraine from firing British missiles into Russia

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6e40276b-8414-485...
Unfortunately there is a significant chunk of the US population already wetting the bed about ‘nuclear war with Russia’ so the subject is emotive.

I’d say it may require as sort of asking for forgiveness rather than explicit permission. Keep the USA fully in the loop, but give them the ability to fully deny having officially sanctioned it. In other words JFDI because Russia has been doing similar since day 1 of ‘3’.

GliderRider

2,775 posts

98 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Cheib said:
Article in The Times this morning say that the UK has asked the US for permission for Ukraine to use Storm Shadow in Russia itself, been waiting a month for an answer apparently. There are apparently four NATO countries who all contribute to decisions like this UK, US, France, and one unnamed (I assume Germany).

US blocks Ukraine from firing British missiles into Russia

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6e40276b-8414-485...
Given the US weapons that are being offered and used, it wouldn't surprise me if the Americans don't want a largely British/French weapon getting all the credit when they could be selling their own missiles around the world after this off the back of a real world demonstration.

borcy

8,104 posts

73 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Wills2

26,680 posts

192 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Evanivitch said:
JNW1 said:
Well Churchill was a consistent critic of the appeasement policy pursued by successive UK governments during the 1930's and Chamberlain was PM of one of those for several years. Churchill was also scathing about the Munich Agreement which Chamberlain brokered and signed with Hitler.

But as I said above, I just used Chamberlain to illustrate my view on appeasement - if you feel it's unfair to describe him in those terms fair enough, just substitute any appeaser for Chamberlain and the point stands.
And yet Churchill made Chamberlain a vital part of his government and war cabinet.

Churchill was a critic of appeasement, but he didn't look.fown on the man himself (though they had very different personalities).

"Until ill health forced him to resign on 22 September 1940, Chamberlain was an important member of the war cabinet as Lord President of the Council, heading the government in Churchill's absence. His support for Churchill proved vital during the May 1940 war cabinet crisis. Chamberlain died aged 71 on 9 November of cancer, six months after leaving the premiership."
Churchill had no option to have Chamberlain in his cabinet nor Lord Halifax either same with Attlee, Cripps and Bevin, he had to have the top brass from either side, but Chamberlain wasn't the man some have come to regard him as he did his best and the shadow of WW1 loomed large over the continent and no one wanted to go to war again after the decimation of an entire generation, Chamberlain's mandate was to keep the peace which he tried to do, once that had failed and war was evitable parliament turned against him and looked to Churchill as a man for one job only, after Halifax demurred.



Evanivitch

24,898 posts

139 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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GliderRider said:
Given the US weapons that are being offered and used, it wouldn't surprise me if the Americans don't want a largely British/French weapon getting all the credit when they could be selling their own missiles around the world after this off the back of a real world demonstration.
American isn't allowing strategic weapons to be used within Russia either, says the article.

aeropilot

38,603 posts

244 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Looks like the Germans have done another about turn.......

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1824759651923...


FourWheelDrift

91,144 posts

301 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Statue of Lenin, Sudzha.

Perfect head shot.



Now removed.


Cheib

24,580 posts

192 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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aeropilot said:
Looks like the Germans have done another about turn.......

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1824759651923...
Supplying Ukraine will be a lot cheaper than fighting an emboldened Russia in five years. Total fkwittery.

paulw123

4,200 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Serious bravery going on now in Ukraine (and now bits of Russia!)
Serious cowardice in the US and Germany

lizardbrain

3,059 posts

54 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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aeropilot said:
Looks like the Germans have done another about turn.......

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1824759651923...
A comment argues this isn't new and due to funding shifting to interest from frozen assets? Unsure how true

borcy

8,104 posts

73 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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king arthur

7,347 posts

278 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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Some accounts are reporting that Korenovo is under Ukrainian control.

Prolex-UK

4,507 posts

225 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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paulw123 said:
Serious bravery going on now in Ukraine (and now bits of Russia!)
Serious cowardice in the US and Germany
Russia's armed forces are a joke.

Not sure why they are concerned



rossub

5,226 posts

207 months

Saturday 17th August 2024
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borcy said:
Tries to walk it off like nothing happened hehe