Harry's Garage - YouTube
Discussion
timrud said:
Did it have some fake sound pumped into the cabin to make it sound like a lawnmower?
It didn't sound as bad from the outside
It didn’t sound a bit like Scooby which is primarily what it’s based on. Iirc the sound was due to the headers not being of equal length. Correct if I’m wrong but that’s what I was told when I owned an Impreza. It didn't sound as bad from the outside
NGK210 said:
WTF was that?!
It’s as if he currently has personal beef with Toyota.
I don’t think I’ve seen / read a more churlish, nitpicking, desperate to find fault review, ever.
It’s a light(ish), compact, non-bling, 2-door, RWD, n/a, driver-focused coupé. (With a 10-year warranty.) What more does he expect for £30k – the cabin + ergonomics of a McLaren with exterior styling to rival Aston?
Very surprised he doesn’t know nor understand why it has port and direct injection.
Loved his suggestion for an alternative at c. £27k – a 7-year-old M2
As someone who had an allocation for a GR86 (second batch) but pulled out (due to the price hike) an early M2 was what I was weighing the car up against at the time. Didn't get either in the end It’s as if he currently has personal beef with Toyota.
I don’t think I’ve seen / read a more churlish, nitpicking, desperate to find fault review, ever.
It’s a light(ish), compact, non-bling, 2-door, RWD, n/a, driver-focused coupé. (With a 10-year warranty.) What more does he expect for £30k – the cabin + ergonomics of a McLaren with exterior styling to rival Aston?
Very surprised he doesn’t know nor understand why it has port and direct injection.
Loved his suggestion for an alternative at c. £27k – a 7-year-old M2
Edited by NGK210 on Monday 3rd February 15:46
ChocolateFrog said:
More expensive maybe, but I can't relate to people who pay other people to do stuff for them.
I actually doubt it would be that much more expensive for me as it would definitely cost me more to pay Toyota to do a service to maintain the warranty than it would to buy the parts for a DIY service.
Each to their own as they say.
Toyota servicing made sense for the first 10 years, as it came with a 1 year warranty per service. My 86 is 12 years old in May, I did my first home service last year, and will continue doing so. I actually doubt it would be that much more expensive for me as it would definitely cost me more to pay Toyota to do a service to maintain the warranty than it would to buy the parts for a DIY service.
Each to their own as they say.
The Porsche stories I've read have been sobering, parts prices, possible engine failures too, I'm surprised you think there wouldn't be much difference, good luck if you do decide to buy a 911
DuncanM said:
Toyota servicing made sense for the first 10 years, as it came with a 1 year warranty per service. My 86 is 12 years old in May, I did my first home service last year, and will continue doing so.
The Porsche stories I've read have been sobering, parts prices, possible engine failures too, I'm surprised you think there wouldn't be much difference, good luck if you do decide to buy a 911
Subaru have had their share of engine failures also , the GR had some real issues initially the difference is warranty , a big pro point imo The Porsche stories I've read have been sobering, parts prices, possible engine failures too, I'm surprised you think there wouldn't be much difference, good luck if you do decide to buy a 911
liner33 said:
DuncanM said:
Toyota servicing made sense for the first 10 years, as it came with a 1 year warranty per service. My 86 is 12 years old in May, I did my first home service last year, and will continue doing so.
The Porsche stories I've read have been sobering, parts prices, possible engine failures too, I'm surprised you think there wouldn't be much difference, good luck if you do decide to buy a 911
Subaru have had their share of engine failures also , the GR had some real issues initially the difference is warranty , a big pro point imo The Porsche stories I've read have been sobering, parts prices, possible engine failures too, I'm surprised you think there wouldn't be much difference, good luck if you do decide to buy a 911
DuncanM said:
Anyone comparing 911 v Toyota 86 running costs needs their head inspected, sorry, I just can't believe it's even a debate 
You can't really compare them as cars for me either. Toyota chased a lighter weight car with the 86, and Porsche aren't exactly well known for that with any of their cars in fairness. Plus 911's are more GT coupes rather that sports coupes for me as well. cerb4.5lee said:
You can't really compare them as cars for me either. Toyota chased a lighter weight car with the 86, and Porsche aren't exactly well known for that with any of their cars in fairness. Plus 911's are more GT coupes rather that sports coupes for me as well.
911 would be in a different league, but the running costs would be too. There's a chap on here running one, details his spending, does a lot himself, still expensive.My GT86 is super cheap to run, no comparison.
DuncanM said:
cerb4.5lee said:
You can't really compare them as cars for me either. Toyota chased a lighter weight car with the 86, and Porsche aren't exactly well known for that with any of their cars in fairness. Plus 911's are more GT coupes rather that sports coupes for me as well.
911 would be in a different league, but the running costs would be too. There's a chap on here running one, details his spending, does a lot himself, still expensive.My GT86 is super cheap to run, no comparison.
I wouldn't say no to a 911 though don't get me wrong(or a GT86), but they're aimed at a totally different market though as you say.
Otispunkmeyer said:
AJLintern said:
That fake engine sound playing through the speakers sounded awful! Like some rubbish 90's arcade game. I presume that can be turned off in a menu..?
not sure about a menu but you can just disconnect it pretty easy!I've got the HK stereo in it...so it is easy enough to disconnect though in fairness, but I have just left it on to be honest.
Otispunkmeyer said:
AJLintern said:
That fake engine sound playing through the speakers sounded awful! Like some rubbish 90's arcade game. I presume that can be turned off in a menu..?
not sure about a menu but you can just disconnect it pretty easy!I patiently ran mine in and at lower revs the fake noise was OK but the moment I allowed myself to rev it out, I had never been so disappointed. Unplugged it pretty much immediately.
itcaptainslow said:
The augmented noise is also ever so slightly out of sync with the actual engine noise/speed, making it noticeably harder to heel & toe/rev match accurately.
That's completely unacceptable, I was amazed when Harry commented on it being tricky to heel&toe in the GR, as it couldn't be easier in the GT86. DuncanM said:
itcaptainslow said:
The augmented noise is also ever so slightly out of sync with the actual engine noise/speed, making it noticeably harder to heel & toe/rev match accurately.
That's completely unacceptable, I was amazed when Harry commented on it being tricky to heel&toe in the GR, as it couldn't be easier in the GT86. 
Smollet said:
It didn’t sound a bit like Scooby which is primarily what it’s based on. Iirc the sound was due to the headers not being of equal length. Correct if I’m wrong but that’s what I was told when I owned an Impreza.
Early Impreza ran unequal length headers, giving the offbeat engine note.The Newage cars had two types of system, with the Euro spec retaining unequal headers, the JDM spec cars got equal length headers.
They sound completely different, the JDM cars sound pretty epic when you rev them out, more motorbike like clean sound.
The NA engines never sound that interesting, they aren't flowing much air by comparison and OEM exhausts are very quiet. Stick a free flowing system on it and it should sound better. The GT/GR/BRZ are on equal length headers so you won't get the old school burble.
I prefer the JDM equal length length sound it's better for performance too.
Edited by 732NM on Tuesday 4th February 19:25
AJLintern said:
That fake engine sound playing through the speakers sounded awful! Like some rubbish 90's arcade game. I presume that can be turned off in a menu..?
You can buy a cable and get the Toyota Software to turn it off in the options. You can also unplug it. I bought the cable as I just wanted to change some parameters like windows down when holding down unlock etc. I have owned my GR86 for 18 months now and Harry's review was pretty much spot on. I was also looking at second hand M2's at the same time and whilst quick in a straight line you cannot get away from the weight of the thing and ultimately went down the GR86 route.
The negatives is the rev hang or whatever you want to call it. (Emissions rubbish) Which is very apparent pulling out of junctions in 1st and rev matching is hard although I have mastered it now. On the boil it really isn't a problem though. Thankfully tuners are working on the throttle maps and I think there is one available already. In Japan they even offer a new throttle map FOC at dealerships. I doubt we will get it though.
It really is a liveable Caterham and judging by the grin on his face he really liked it. Ours is used pretty much every day in all weather. Just hit 10k miles already.
He was also correct about it being really sketchy. It is very very easy to get it sideways and look like a plonker in this weather :P
BricktopST205 said:
It really is a liveable Caterham and judging by the grin on his face he really liked it. Ours is used pretty much every day in all weather. Just hit 10k miles already.
He was also correct about it being really sketchy. It is very very easy to get it sideways and look like a plonker in this weather :P
I'd very happily swap my Caterham for your GR86 at this time of year for sure! He was also correct about it being really sketchy. It is very very easy to get it sideways and look like a plonker in this weather :P
The GR86 does look like a really fun car, and I really enjoyed watching Harry's review of it for definite.
Gassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff