On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving
Discussion
just the other day I was cut up by plod at a roundabout. Two exits - left & straight on. Two approach lanes appropriately marked, and me going straight on. Plod decides to go from left lane, cut me up narrowly missing the front of my car to go straight on - no indicators btw. So in this case, could I pull him and give him an OTSF of £100 
t. There is no such thing as "on-the-spot" fines. They will be fixed penalty notices and there will be a path of appeal.Taken from the BBC article.
"Ministers insist the new approach will try to target genuinely reckless motorists rather than those who normally follow the rules but make an inadvertent mistake"
How does a police officer differentiate between the two? Surely to do so this would require an officer to observe the driving standard for potentially several hundred miles. Sounds like a dangerous and flawed law to me.
"Ministers insist the new approach will try to target genuinely reckless motorists rather than those who normally follow the rules but make an inadvertent mistake"
How does a police officer differentiate between the two? Surely to do so this would require an officer to observe the driving standard for potentially several hundred miles. Sounds like a dangerous and flawed law to me.
Pr1964 said:
Unworkable.
Especially as many police drivers these days are beyond dangerous.
When was the last time you saw an erratic driver being pulled over by the plod?
And why don't plod make middle lane hogs move over ?????
All hot air IMO
I think I agree. I was listening to the proposals this morning whilst driving to work. They mention giving a fine for undertaking - considering I undertake most days (due to idiots at 65mph in L2/3, with nothing in front of them) I would rather they addressed the cause of it, as mentioned above, MLM's should be first on the hitlist. Especially as many police drivers these days are beyond dangerous.
When was the last time you saw an erratic driver being pulled over by the plod?
And why don't plod make middle lane hogs move over ?????
All hot air IMO
Stu R said:
On paper it's promising. The execution, I fear, will be where the problems arise.
I thought it was just fines. I hadn't realised they were proposing such summary justice at the roadside. Disposing of the remains will cause problems, and I imagine there will be Health & Safety issues too. 
Streaky
On bbc breakfast soon, with some representation from motoring groups.
I wonder if there'll be any mention of the fact that for 'careless driving' of 'undertaking' as they put it, there will probably also be a careless driver not returning to the left after overtaking.
Where's my MP's address...
I wonder if there'll be any mention of the fact that for 'careless driving' of 'undertaking' as they put it, there will probably also be a careless driver not returning to the left after overtaking.
Where's my MP's address...
streaky said:
Stu R said:
On paper it's promising. The execution, I fear, will be where the problems arise.
I thought it was just fines. I hadn't realised they were proposing such summary justice at the roadside. Disposing of the remains will cause problems, and I imagine there will be Health & Safety issues too. Streaky
sweeping it!
diddles said:
Taken from the BBC article.
"Ministers insist the new approach will try to target genuinely reckless motorists rather than those who normally follow the rules but make an inadvertent mistake"
How does a police officer differentiate between the two? Surely to do so this would require an officer to observe the driving standard for potentially several hundred miles. Sounds like a dangerous and flawed law to me.
And who is more dangerous: someone who loses concentration in their lethal weapon and drives carelessly as a result or;"Ministers insist the new approach will try to target genuinely reckless motorists rather than those who normally follow the rules but make an inadvertent mistake"
How does a police officer differentiate between the two? Surely to do so this would require an officer to observe the driving standard for potentially several hundred miles. Sounds like a dangerous and flawed law to me.
someone who is concentrating and deliberately performing a maneouvre outside the guidelines of the highway code?
Why should the police ignore people that are just daydreaming?!
simoid said:
On bbc breakfast soon, with some representation from motoring groups.
I wonder if there'll be any mention of the fact that for 'careless driving' of 'undertaking' as they put it, there will probably also be a careless driver not returning to the left after overtaking.
Where's my MP's address...
I think i average about 1 undertake per 30min commute at the moment. Id argue that im far more aware of my surroundings and alert than any of the tards i end up undertaking so how is that reckless?I wonder if there'll be any mention of the fact that for 'careless driving' of 'undertaking' as they put it, there will probably also be a careless driver not returning to the left after overtaking.
Where's my MP's address...
Its just not worth the hassle or stress trying to engage when they are obviously in their own world.
Why do they mention undertaking? It shouldn't be possible to undertake unless someone else is using the lane system incorrectly!
What's wrong with traffic police just stopping people and giving them a warning for minor infractions, generally educating the driving public a bit better and pursuing further action if resistance is met?
What's wrong with traffic police just stopping people and giving them a warning for minor infractions, generally educating the driving public a bit better and pursuing further action if resistance is met?
An on the spot fine must, as noted above, permit of access to a court, whether the fine is treated as a criminal sanction or a civil penalty, because of the due process guarantees of article 6 of the ECHR. In practice, on the spot fines are levied at the roadside in, for example, France and Austria (how might I know that, I wonder?) for speeding, which has at least the virtue of reducing hassle.
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