Not a core function.....
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I have now heard it all.
Apparently it is NOT a core function of my Traffic Department to patrol the roads in unmkarked cars dealing with Dangerous Driving, Without Due Care, Tailgaiting etc.
It apparently is not a core function to enforce and educate drivers using unmarked cars and video evidence.
I have now given up and will be applying for a new job elsewhere within the Police...........quite incredible.
Apparently it is NOT a core function of my Traffic Department to patrol the roads in unmkarked cars dealing with Dangerous Driving, Without Due Care, Tailgaiting etc.
It apparently is not a core function to enforce and educate drivers using unmarked cars and video evidence.
I have now given up and will be applying for a new job elsewhere within the Police...........quite incredible.
? My father taught me to drive 33 years ago. He was Plod at the time and although not in traffic, he was a class one. He was in fact one of the first Trafpol on the M1 in 1959! After passing my test (first time) whenever I was driving, you ALWAYS saw patrol cars. I will never forget the hair tingling moments when you looked in the mirror to see a plod behind you! Every manoeuvre had to be executed perfectly until they turned off! Sadly nowadays this isn't happening, and by the sounds of it will disappear altogether, and standards will get worse, and accidents increase.......
will crash said:
I have now heard it all.
Apparently it is NOT a core function of my Traffic Department to patrol the roads in unmkarked cars dealing with Dangerous Driving, Without Due Care, Tailgaiting etc.
It apparently is not a core function to enforce and educate drivers using unmarked cars and video evidence.
I have now given up and will be applying for a new job elsewhere within the Police...........quite incredible.
so what are the core functions, you must have been on the recieving end of a lecture!!
mojo
mybrainhurts said:
Unmarked cars present the same hazard as scameras and talivans.
If they might be about, many drivers will divert concentration to make sure they're not being observed.
Anything that distracts a driver from the main task is A Bad Thing.
Let's keep 'em marked and more numerous.......
That is complete and utter twaddle!
I note a "degree" of cynicism creeping in from our friendly BiBs. What have we non-BiBs been saying? Welcome!
wc - I hope you find a berth where a similar attitude does not apply ... but I fear you might find that difficult.
Oh, and can anyone inform us what the "core function" of the police in general is now? At best it has the appearance of being limited to the "detection of big crime" ... note that much of the old "prevention" element has all but disappeared and "big" appears to mean rape and murder (and motoring offences detected by camera).
Streaky
wc - I hope you find a berth where a similar attitude does not apply ... but I fear you might find that difficult.
Oh, and can anyone inform us what the "core function" of the police in general is now? At best it has the appearance of being limited to the "detection of big crime" ... note that much of the old "prevention" element has all but disappeared and "big" appears to mean rape and murder (and motoring offences detected by camera).
Streaky
I expect the government has in mind an increasing role for the civilians (i.e. cheaper to employ) or some "clamper-type" private firms.
They're up to the same tricks in education, with their attempts to get classroom assistants to carry out more and more of the teacher's role.
Oh and in the NHS, with plans moooted for Nurses being moved to more "senior" activities while less qualified staff carry out the more "mundane" tasks. Any ideas where this will lead? Just think, steath tactics!
>> Edited by james_j on Sunday 23 May 19:53
They're up to the same tricks in education, with their attempts to get classroom assistants to carry out more and more of the teacher's role.
Oh and in the NHS, with plans moooted for Nurses being moved to more "senior" activities while less qualified staff carry out the more "mundane" tasks. Any ideas where this will lead? Just think, steath tactics!
>> Edited by james_j on Sunday 23 May 19:53
Tonyrec said:
Unmarked cars present the same hazard as scameras and talivans.
If they might be about, many drivers will divert concentration to make sure they're not being observed.
Anything that distracts a driver from the main task is A Bad Thing.
Let's keep 'em marked and more numerous.......
That is complete and utter twaddle!
Why?
The senior officers want Traffic Police to ensure the free flow of traffic,detect criminal activity and prevent terrorism.
They don`t want Traffic Police to deal with ambulance escorts,ambnornal loads,debris on road, broken downs and it would appear education through video enforcement.
I can see nothing wrong in the use of unmarked cars along with marked cars, bearing in mind that at most there will ever only be TWO unmarked cars working the whole of Northwest London.
I cannot see any reason that drivers would spend time thinking more about the presence of a `lurking` unmarked car than the road ahead.
Traffic as we know it today, will be totally different in two years from now, mark my words..........
They don`t want Traffic Police to deal with ambulance escorts,ambnornal loads,debris on road, broken downs and it would appear education through video enforcement.
I can see nothing wrong in the use of unmarked cars along with marked cars, bearing in mind that at most there will ever only be TWO unmarked cars working the whole of Northwest London.
I cannot see any reason that drivers would spend time thinking more about the presence of a `lurking` unmarked car than the road ahead.
Traffic as we know it today, will be totally different in two years from now, mark my words..........
It is a bit poor, the low strengths we have sometimes. For bank holidays in my borough and due to "Financial Constraints" they can only parade the minimum strength of officers to work (19 on the streets, plus 14 inside postings). This is due to them not wanting to pay us the extra that they'd have to, and as a result, on a normal night (one without any murders or other incidents that take up a lot of people) we're all tied up with work by about 1130pm (and we come on at 7pm).
This is why you never see Bibs driving/walking around.
They also don't let you drive till you've been in for 18 months, and with my borough manned by 80% probationers (Bibs with less than 2 yrs service) you don't have any bloody drivers!
All these nice shiny cars, sitting in the yards, gathering dirt and dust when we could be fighting crime!
This is why you never see Bibs driving/walking around.
They also don't let you drive till you've been in for 18 months, and with my borough manned by 80% probationers (Bibs with less than 2 yrs service) you don't have any bloody drivers!
All these nice shiny cars, sitting in the yards, gathering dirt and dust when we could be fighting crime!
Sorry to hear you "can't take any more"; from your posts you sound like the kind of copper we could do with more of (intelligent, non-head-up-arse, able to think for yourself). It does make me wonder what the powers-that-be are on.
I can't agree with the idea of unmarked cars being a scamera-esque hazard. To avoid being hassled by unmarked cars you need to pay attention to the road and not drive like a dick. To avoid scamera hassle you need to pay attention to the hedges and judge your speed by constant reference to the speedo rather than the road conditions.
I can't agree with the idea of unmarked cars being a scamera-esque hazard. To avoid being hassled by unmarked cars you need to pay attention to the road and not drive like a dick. To avoid scamera hassle you need to pay attention to the hedges and judge your speed by constant reference to the speedo rather than the road conditions.
will - here is a "devils advocate" point of view, from which i guess you will guess my true persective anyway.
A driver with 9 points knows there are 2 unmarked cars in his area, but still wants to make progress. He therefore diverts 50% of his attention to checking out every unmarked omega, volvo etc. he sees for fluorescent jackets, uniforms, crew cuts etc. While looking sideways at two large men in a silver bmw 5-series, he drives into the car he failed to notice had stopped in front of him.
Suoppose unmarked cars were allowed to pull everything except speeding?
I realise that jam sandwiches usually create a "halo" of perfect driving around themselves, so unmarked cars are the only way to educate tailgaters, lane hoggers, etc.
A driver with 9 points knows there are 2 unmarked cars in his area, but still wants to make progress. He therefore diverts 50% of his attention to checking out every unmarked omega, volvo etc. he sees for fluorescent jackets, uniforms, crew cuts etc. While looking sideways at two large men in a silver bmw 5-series, he drives into the car he failed to notice had stopped in front of him.
Suoppose unmarked cars were allowed to pull everything except speeding?
I realise that jam sandwiches usually create a "halo" of perfect driving around themselves, so unmarked cars are the only way to educate tailgaters, lane hoggers, etc.
james_j said:
I expect the government has in mind an increasing role for the civilians (i.e. cheaper to employ) or some "clamper-type" private firms.
They're up to the same tricks in education, with their attempts to get classroom assistants to carry out more and more of the teacher's role.
Oh and in the NHS, with plans moooted for Nurses being moved to more "senior" activities while less qualified staff carry out the more "mundane" tasks. Any ideas where this will lead? Just think, steath tactics!
>> Edited by james_j on Sunday 23 May 19:53
I refer the Honorable Gentleman to the answer I gave earlier!
i.e. "privatised road policing." RE: ABD Call for Clarity.
Well, Er Privatised everthing really! Did someone say this was a "labour" Government? Feels more like Maggies back,.......in Drag!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 24th May 02:42
will crash said:
The senior officers want Traffic Police to <snip> prevent terrorism.
Suggest you point him to www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/31569.htm
Straight from US State Department. Terrosim in 2003 was at its lowest level since 1969. Its all a myth to get through powers and carry out abuses that the establishment wouldn't normally get away with.
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