Rural living and driving ban
Discussion
I'm considering moving out into the country and have a theoretical question.
If caught at 100mph+ would a court remove your license, or could you play the "unreasonable hardship" defence in that you would need to be able to drive to get to your home, as it is not served by any sort of public transport?
With the rate scameras are catching people these days I'm sure everyone will end up being banned at some point - so will that have an effect on people living out in the countryside?
If caught at 100mph+ would a court remove your license, or could you play the "unreasonable hardship" defence in that you would need to be able to drive to get to your home, as it is not served by any sort of public transport?
With the rate scameras are catching people these days I'm sure everyone will end up being banned at some point - so will that have an effect on people living out in the countryside?
GreigM said:
I'm considering moving out into the country and have a theoretical question.
If caught at 100mph+ would a court remove your license, or could you play the "unreasonable hardship" defence in that you would need to be able to drive to get to your home, as it is not served by any sort of public transport?
With the rate scameras are catching people these days I'm sure everyone will end up being banned at some point - so will that have an effect on people living out in the countryside?
A Welsh MP has just escaped a ban, despite having 12pts, by pleading a life of public service requiring 30,000 miles a year by car.
If it hadn't been an MP, if instead it had been a local small businessman also doing 30,000 miles a yeat do you think he'd have got off? I think not.
Our legal system is corrupt. Luckily its not as corrupt as some other countries, thank goodness, which we should remember whilst criticising...
To be honest if you move out to the country you will shortly find out what *total dependence* on your car means. The bloody Islingtonites who make our transport decisions have *no
clue* what this really means. After all - if its only ever ten minutes walk to the tube and two minutes to the bus how can anyone possibly need a car! 
Don said:
To be honest if you move out to the country you will shortly find out what *total dependence* on your car means. The bloody Islingtonites who make our transport decisions have *no
Wise words.
DAZ
(Country dweller living in the middle of nowhere)
I drive about 50 miles to work, 25 odd miles of it is over the middle of no where along back roads.
There are busses, if I go 8 miles to get one, then get that bus to a train, then use the train for 35 miles to the city, then a bus from there to work for another 6 miles and a small walk at that end.
Monthly cost for my car is £40 insurance, £15 road tax, £180 fuel, and about £5 depreciation.
The bus and train passes, along with a taxi or bike to get the initial 8 miles would cost easily the same as running my car, and take about twice as long.
Ultimately, I'd loose my job, and the government would miss out on my income tax, about 500 quid a month, add the road tax, add the fuel tax of about 180 quid a month, then I'd take the dole off them! They'd be down about 750 quid a month just because they thought they'd ban me for going about 25% faster where it was probably more than safe to do so.
The governments loss not mine...
There are busses, if I go 8 miles to get one, then get that bus to a train, then use the train for 35 miles to the city, then a bus from there to work for another 6 miles and a small walk at that end.
Monthly cost for my car is £40 insurance, £15 road tax, £180 fuel, and about £5 depreciation.
The bus and train passes, along with a taxi or bike to get the initial 8 miles would cost easily the same as running my car, and take about twice as long.
Ultimately, I'd loose my job, and the government would miss out on my income tax, about 500 quid a month, add the road tax, add the fuel tax of about 180 quid a month, then I'd take the dole off them! They'd be down about 750 quid a month just because they thought they'd ban me for going about 25% faster where it was probably more than safe to do so.
The governments loss not mine...
I work shifts (obviously, being a 
) , and travel 22 miles to work, which takes about 30-35 minutes. At the moment, I spend about £50.00 a week in petrol to get to work. We have now been told that we are going to lose our free parking, so that will mean another £8.00 per day parking fees.
I looked into using public transport. The EASIEST route available is:
Taxi to railway station £4.50, train to town I work in (2 changes, 1 hour 20 minutes) £12.90 return, taxi to nick £2.80. So that's £27.60 PER DAY, and I couldn't even do this when I'm on earlies, because the buses/trains wouldn't get me there early enough.
And before it's mentioned, when you join, you can get posted anywhere in the county, you don't have any say where you work.
>> Edited by Dibble on Friday 4th June 12:08
) , and travel 22 miles to work, which takes about 30-35 minutes. At the moment, I spend about £50.00 a week in petrol to get to work. We have now been told that we are going to lose our free parking, so that will mean another £8.00 per day parking fees. I looked into using public transport. The EASIEST route available is:
Taxi to railway station £4.50, train to town I work in (2 changes, 1 hour 20 minutes) £12.90 return, taxi to nick £2.80. So that's £27.60 PER DAY, and I couldn't even do this when I'm on earlies, because the buses/trains wouldn't get me there early enough.
And before it's mentioned, when you join, you can get posted anywhere in the county, you don't have any say where you work.
>> Edited by Dibble on Friday 4th June 12:08
Hello Ossifer Dibble, (ex WMHV70)
Noted your request has been actioned. That is service!
Just to add my 2p to this thread in a previous existence my commute options were
a) walk, about 50 minutes each way, very healthy, not so good in lousy weather, cost nowt
b) Cycle, 10-15 minutes, negotiating three separate "islands of death" and the footpath identified in c), cost in cash terms nowt, risk to life & limb another matter.
c) short walk to bus top, wait up to 20 minutes, another 20 minutes in clapped omnibus, then walk from town centre to work negotiating one busy road and a footpath where the local ladies of the night took their clients for a knee trembler, and dog walkers let their mutts…… very pleasant… not Cost £1.20/day
d) Take the car, door to door, listen to the radio, quicker more comfortable than all the others, variable cost 70p / day. (All other car costs had to be paid for anyway so regarded as fixed which takes care of the depreciation question!)
Which would you do? Actually I did a combination of a) b) and d) depending, option c) hardly ever got a look in.
Now today I don't exactly live in the middle of nowhere but it is definitely not a great metrollups either, just about classes as a town as opposed to village.
Had to consider matters around a flight ex Heathrow. Regardless of the personal travel prejudices having considered all the options, self drive & park, taxi, public transport, car rentals, bla bla the cheapest option for a party of one person was to self drive and pay for parking @ Pink elephant £128/week on top of all the other travelling costs. The costs for the other travel options were just stupid.
Then the various anti-car mobs look all surprised and wonder why they get a right royal bollocking when they come to my door electioneering.
FiF
Noted your request has been actioned. That is service!
Just to add my 2p to this thread in a previous existence my commute options were
a) walk, about 50 minutes each way, very healthy, not so good in lousy weather, cost nowt
b) Cycle, 10-15 minutes, negotiating three separate "islands of death" and the footpath identified in c), cost in cash terms nowt, risk to life & limb another matter.
c) short walk to bus top, wait up to 20 minutes, another 20 minutes in clapped omnibus, then walk from town centre to work negotiating one busy road and a footpath where the local ladies of the night took their clients for a knee trembler, and dog walkers let their mutts…… very pleasant… not Cost £1.20/day
d) Take the car, door to door, listen to the radio, quicker more comfortable than all the others, variable cost 70p / day. (All other car costs had to be paid for anyway so regarded as fixed which takes care of the depreciation question!)
Which would you do? Actually I did a combination of a) b) and d) depending, option c) hardly ever got a look in.
Now today I don't exactly live in the middle of nowhere but it is definitely not a great metrollups either, just about classes as a town as opposed to village.
Had to consider matters around a flight ex Heathrow. Regardless of the personal travel prejudices having considered all the options, self drive & park, taxi, public transport, car rentals, bla bla the cheapest option for a party of one person was to self drive and pay for parking @ Pink elephant £128/week on top of all the other travelling costs. The costs for the other travel options were just stupid.
Then the various anti-car mobs look all surprised and wonder why they get a right royal bollocking when they come to my door electioneering.
FiF
As you all know - live in pretty Lake District and have very long commute to labs each day.
I start very early (at moment) to beat the traffic - so public transport not really serious option. And my best work is completed early on. Now completing the boring stuff - like writing up my findings and thinking about them!
(Happy pills for BiBs - more difficult than first thought! )
Would need taxi to station as we are not on main bus route. Train would not get me to work in reasonable time. Would have to change three times - and long waits involved. Would cost me a fortune as well. The Mad MoggieCat (husband) has same problem!
My works fortunately has decent lock-up car-park. But we are major drugs company - and place is like Fort Knox!
Husband on the other hand - has to pay for pass to park in hospital car parks. If he forgets to renew it - he gets clamped by the jobworthys!
Our other family medics are also complaining about this! The charges are ridiculous. They get hammered as soon as their pass expires. And - when you are busy saving lives - you forget to go the admin department to get the new pass. The A&E one is bit naughty - but claims the items in his boot are just for DIY Officer!
We do use specific school bus for the kittens. But we are told that we will have to pay £400 per child per annum to use it from next year. We have four kittens of our own - - aged 16-6! We have also been told that we will have to pay same for the two fostered kittens as well! So wherre is incentive to get us out of our cars anyway? We will now be rejigging our work hours from September - and dropping off the kittens en route to work. This will probably mean I end up in the rush hour car parks!
I start very early (at moment) to beat the traffic - so public transport not really serious option. And my best work is completed early on. Now completing the boring stuff - like writing up my findings and thinking about them!
(Happy pills for BiBs - more difficult than first thought! ) Would need taxi to station as we are not on main bus route. Train would not get me to work in reasonable time. Would have to change three times - and long waits involved. Would cost me a fortune as well. The Mad MoggieCat (husband) has same problem!
My works fortunately has decent lock-up car-park. But we are major drugs company - and place is like Fort Knox!
Husband on the other hand - has to pay for pass to park in hospital car parks. If he forgets to renew it - he gets clamped by the jobworthys!
Our other family medics are also complaining about this! The charges are ridiculous. They get hammered as soon as their pass expires. And - when you are busy saving lives - you forget to go the admin department to get the new pass. The A&E one is bit naughty - but claims the items in his boot are just for DIY Officer!
We do use specific school bus for the kittens. But we are told that we will have to pay £400 per child per annum to use it from next year. We have four kittens of our own - - aged 16-6! We have also been told that we will have to pay same for the two fostered kittens as well!
So wherre is incentive to get us out of our cars anyway? We will now be rejigging our work hours from September - and dropping off the kittens en route to work. This will probably mean I end up in the rush hour car parks!My Brother got a toting up ban while living down near Salisbury, he lived about a twenty minute drive by road from work and had no other way of getting there so he bought and old shed of a Range Rover and drove to work across Salisbury Plane every day on the tank tracks and byways. It was a little naughty but he got away with it.
I can drive to work in about 15-25 mins down the A40 (Depending on traffic and time)11 Miles. If I were to take the tube it would be a 30 Min walk or short drive to the station, cost would be about £10 for parking and tube ticket probably a 45 Min trip in all, a round drive in the car couldn't cost more than a fiver. There is no incentive to take the Tube!
Not to mention the 'This station is Blah' 'Stand clear of the door... door closing ... Beep beep beep... next station is blah'
No Thanks!
Not to mention the 'This station is Blah' 'Stand clear of the door... door closing ... Beep beep beep... next station is blah'
No Thanks!
I work in Hull and live in Pontefract. 45 miles along the M62 (A63 for the last bit) but basically all 1 road. The only trains run from either Selby (14 mile drive away) or Leeds (17 mile drive away). You can't park in Leeds so would need to go by train or bus. Anual train ticket Leeds - Hull approx £1900. and Pontefract to Leeds approx £1000. Journey time 90 - 120 minutes depending on taime of day.
Car (Gold TDI) does 55MPG, therefore costs about £7 a day, plus parking in Hull whicih is £450 a year. Journet takes 45 minutes or less.
Which would you do?
Car (Gold TDI) does 55MPG, therefore costs about £7 a day, plus parking in Hull whicih is £450 a year. Journet takes 45 minutes or less.
Which would you do?
Bobbins said:
...and about £5 depreciation.
May I ask what kind of car only depreciates £5/mth? Especially as you must be putting quite a lot of miles on it.
(You didn't mention service/repair cost, BTW).
>> Edited by Bobbins on Friday 4th June 12:44
Lots of cars......
You just have to buy correctly
Out of my past 20 cars only one depreciated & every single one I put more than 20k on.
As for us we live in a rural area, I think I've seen a bus once, is'nt that one of those empty lorries with windows.
When was the last time you heard of a bus company asking people where they want to go?
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