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Streetcop said:
So now freedom of expression is a crime.....
Obviously not: Ask Abu Hamza
What are illegal are: itallic font VRM's, blue washer lights etc etc
Hardly crime of the century tho....?
Not that im into blue washers (silly things) and italic plates...(pointless)......
You're right, it's not the crime of the century, but where do you draw the line? If it's an offence to be on the road with such things then the law should be enforced. We're not talking about a moment's lapse of concentration resulting in a driver exceeding the speed limit slightly. We're talking about buying and fitting such things and then using your vehicle on the public road.
What does bring the subject home to people was a case that I dealt with last year. A pedestrian was struck by a vehicle on a quiet street at night. The pedestrian suffered dreadful injuries and has been in a coma on a life support system ever since, (14 months). The driver of the car sped away from the scene leaving the pedestrian fighting for his life in the gutter. The only witness to the accident was another pedestrian on the opposite pavement. However, the witness couldn't read the offending vehicle's registration plate because it was written in itallic font. Consequently, the driver has escaped justice and is currently still out there. To the fiance, parents and friends of the pedestrian still on the life support machine in hospital, itallic number plates ARE the crime of the century, because the owner of such plates has taken a loved one from them and has gone unpunished.
Makes you think, doesn't it??????
What does bring the subject home to people was a case that I dealt with last year. A pedestrian was struck by a vehicle on a quiet street at night. The pedestrian suffered dreadful injuries and has been in a coma on a life support system ever since, (14 months). The driver of the car sped away from the scene leaving the pedestrian fighting for his life in the gutter. The only witness to the accident was another pedestrian on the opposite pavement. However, the witness couldn't read the offending vehicle's registration plate because it was written in itallic font. Consequently, the driver has escaped justice and is currently still out there. To the fiance, parents and friends of the pedestrian still on the life support machine in hospital, itallic number plates ARE the crime of the century, because the owner of such plates has taken a loved one from them and has gone unpunished.
Makes you think, doesn't it??????
Streetcop said:
..... itallic number plates ARE the crime of the century, because the owner of such plates has taken a loved one from them and has gone unpunished.
Makes you think, doesn't it??????
Like so many minor offences that people think are unecessarily pursued by Police.
Until they become a major victim of that minor infringement 
. There has been a recent thread running about someone who has taken umbridge about a £30 FPT for his leaping Jaguar attached to the front of the bonnet of his Jaguar car!
I wonder if he would have the same attitude if someone elses leaping Jaguar was firmly and painfully inserted into his own body?
How fical we all are
>> Edited by gone on Sunday 20th June 15:21
I take your point Streetcop. However, its most likely that the driver was uninsured, illegal driver etc. Why else leave the scene?
Nothing to do with the plates either imho as you can bet your bottom dollar that the car isnt registered to him or its just not registered.
THAT makes me think mate.
Nothing to do with the plates either imho as you can bet your bottom dollar that the car isnt registered to him or its just not registered.
THAT makes me think mate.
Deltaf,
It's a possiblity what you're saying...
What is more likely however, especially as the time of the accident/collision was 11.30pm was that the driver was drunk. Consequently, the driver would have been easily traced if the registration plate (VRM) had been clearly written.
There are of course many 'What ifs' in stuff like this.
Therefore, we, the police, cannot choose which laws we like and which we don't and obviously neither can the public. As a result, errant motorists displaying illegal number plates for example should be dealt with in the same way.
In addition to that example of the pedestrian being struck by the vehicle with itallic plates, what about this one;
Presumably, you and the other PHs on here buy your road tax each year, as I do. However, shock/horror, some scum drivers don't do and drive uninsured and untaxed. Technology for the police, DVLA and Ministry of Transport has meant that the use of things like ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras can be of great benefit. However, it's not uncommon for these machines to either wrongly read an itallic registration plate or not read it at all. If that vehicle happened to also have no tax/insurance, then the driver wouldn't have been detected and would have gone on his merry way. Perhaps later to collide with a lawful motorist who would be left 'out of pocket'. You pay your road tax, insurance, MOT etc and so should everybody else. Technology plays a great part in the enforcement of the law and anything that hampers that justice is wrong, as far as I'm concerned.
The laws on vehicles is plain, clear and in the majority of cases very simple. If a driver deviates from that, then he/she can have only themselves to blame.
I'm not banging the Home Office/Police drum when I say this, it's just that ultimately the use of illegal 'add ons' to vehicles sooner or later means sorrow for somebody.
>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 20th June 15:37
It's a possiblity what you're saying...
What is more likely however, especially as the time of the accident/collision was 11.30pm was that the driver was drunk. Consequently, the driver would have been easily traced if the registration plate (VRM) had been clearly written.
There are of course many 'What ifs' in stuff like this.
Therefore, we, the police, cannot choose which laws we like and which we don't and obviously neither can the public. As a result, errant motorists displaying illegal number plates for example should be dealt with in the same way.
In addition to that example of the pedestrian being struck by the vehicle with itallic plates, what about this one;
Presumably, you and the other PHs on here buy your road tax each year, as I do. However, shock/horror, some scum drivers don't do and drive uninsured and untaxed. Technology for the police, DVLA and Ministry of Transport has meant that the use of things like ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras can be of great benefit. However, it's not uncommon for these machines to either wrongly read an itallic registration plate or not read it at all. If that vehicle happened to also have no tax/insurance, then the driver wouldn't have been detected and would have gone on his merry way. Perhaps later to collide with a lawful motorist who would be left 'out of pocket'. You pay your road tax, insurance, MOT etc and so should everybody else. Technology plays a great part in the enforcement of the law and anything that hampers that justice is wrong, as far as I'm concerned.
The laws on vehicles is plain, clear and in the majority of cases very simple. If a driver deviates from that, then he/she can have only themselves to blame.
I'm not banging the Home Office/Police drum when I say this, it's just that ultimately the use of illegal 'add ons' to vehicles sooner or later means sorrow for somebody.
>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 20th June 15:37
But in your post Streetcop you highlight the problem of modern policing and its downfall. Electronic devices that your Chiefs are so keen on cannot replace the man on the beat. They can only supplement and it isn't rocket science. Had there been more on the night of the accident then (a) The accident may have been prevented with drunken chummy detected before hand, or b)Details of offending vehicle circulated and picked up by patrols. Still something of an oddity that number plate which would make it stand out.
North Yorkshire ahead of West Yorks ahead of South Yorks on the sin sheet just published. Which one are you?
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Sunday 20th June 15:49
North Yorkshire ahead of West Yorks ahead of South Yorks on the sin sheet just published. Which one are you?
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Sunday 20th June 15:49
Hi Dwight..
Thanks for your comments...I live in Yorkshire, but work in a neighbouring force...(The 'Thought police' may be monitoring this site, so read into my lies what you will...
)
Anyway..
As for technology, I'm all for GATSOs/TRUVELOs outside schools etc, but as for the bloody boom in the things everywhere, I'm very much against..
My reasons in another post explain this better.
As for technology as a whole, we have to embrace the change and it does a fantastic job. The ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) systems for example are the future and will NEVER go away. They are simply too good and assist the human officer fantastically. When a car passes a ANPR van or tripod, it's VRM (vehicle registration mark) is recognised (in 99% of occasions) and its cross checked against the Police National Computer, DVLA computer, Local Intelligence systems and some other databases. The results can come back in a couple of seconds to inform whether or not:
1) The car is stolen.
2) The car has been involved in crime or has
failed to stop at an accicent.
3) The car has no current keeper.
4) The car is uninsured.
5) The car is untaxed.
6) The driver/occupants of the vehicle have come
to the attention of the police in the past.
For example the registered keeper of the
vehicle might be disqualified or a regular
drink driver.
The above is just a quick review of what can be found in approx 2.5 seconds.
These results are then passed immediately to waiting police officers in cars/on motorcycles further down the road who will then stop the vehicle.
I've been involved in many such operations and the vehicles/occupants that have been 'pulled in' haven't been your norm. ie: Audi A4's, People Carriers, Smart cars, blue-rinse old women, young mums, blokes in suits etc. However, the computer is right 95% of the time and many of these cars were uninsured or for example contained disqualified drivers etc
Now I'm all for the 'bobby on the beat' etc, but with the amount of vehicles on the roads increasing daily and the extensive criminal use of the motor vehicle, we the police, need to emrace such technology and the public needs to welcome and support it by not having itallic number plates fitted to their cars.
'Together we can make a difference' and all that.....
>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 20th June 16:02
Thanks for your comments...I live in Yorkshire, but work in a neighbouring force...(The 'Thought police' may be monitoring this site, so read into my lies what you will...
) Anyway..
As for technology, I'm all for GATSOs/TRUVELOs outside schools etc, but as for the bloody boom in the things everywhere, I'm very much against..
My reasons in another post explain this better.
As for technology as a whole, we have to embrace the change and it does a fantastic job. The ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) systems for example are the future and will NEVER go away. They are simply too good and assist the human officer fantastically. When a car passes a ANPR van or tripod, it's VRM (vehicle registration mark) is recognised (in 99% of occasions) and its cross checked against the Police National Computer, DVLA computer, Local Intelligence systems and some other databases. The results can come back in a couple of seconds to inform whether or not:
1) The car is stolen.
2) The car has been involved in crime or has
failed to stop at an accicent.
3) The car has no current keeper.
4) The car is uninsured.
5) The car is untaxed.
6) The driver/occupants of the vehicle have come
to the attention of the police in the past.
For example the registered keeper of the
vehicle might be disqualified or a regular
drink driver.
The above is just a quick review of what can be found in approx 2.5 seconds.
These results are then passed immediately to waiting police officers in cars/on motorcycles further down the road who will then stop the vehicle.
I've been involved in many such operations and the vehicles/occupants that have been 'pulled in' haven't been your norm. ie: Audi A4's, People Carriers, Smart cars, blue-rinse old women, young mums, blokes in suits etc. However, the computer is right 95% of the time and many of these cars were uninsured or for example contained disqualified drivers etc
Now I'm all for the 'bobby on the beat' etc, but with the amount of vehicles on the roads increasing daily and the extensive criminal use of the motor vehicle, we the police, need to emrace such technology and the public needs to welcome and support it by not having itallic number plates fitted to their cars.
'Together we can make a difference' and all that.....
>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 20th June 16:02
Streetcop said:
The results can come back in a couple of seconds to inform whether or not:
1) The car is stolen.
2) The car has been involved in crime or has
failed to stop at an accicent.
3) The car has no current keeper.
4) The car is uninsured.
5) The car is untaxed.
6) The driver/occupants of the vehicle have come
to the attention of the police in the past.
For example the registered keeper of the
vehicle might be disqualified or a regular
drink driver.
And there's more than enough of these in Yorkshire - especially Bradford....
Approx 7 of out 10 current insurance firms contribute to a central computer database. This database is used by the police who can check whether or not a vehicle is insured at that time and who is the policyholder and named drivers.
Obviously, there are some pitfalls with the system as not all companies subscribe to the system. However, it works well in a lot of cases.
Obviously, there are some pitfalls with the system as not all companies subscribe to the system. However, it works well in a lot of cases.
ANPR and SPECS uses Optical Character Recognition algorithms. These can be set up for virtually any font or style. Crucial factors would be minimum spacing between characters and contrast against background.
Equally on those rare occasions when the algorithm fails to produce a result, a hardcopy (photo) should be available for the human operator to interpret and act upon. In fact a 'fail' may be a good reason for a 'pull'.
Equally on those rare occasions when the algorithm fails to produce a result, a hardcopy (photo) should be available for the human operator to interpret and act upon. In fact a 'fail' may be a good reason for a 'pull'.
Kenp,
Thanks for your input..
You're absolutely right in what you say and a 'fail' might mean good reason for a pull, but it depends on the volume of traffic at that time. I've seen more than a dozen or so itallic number plates and those not in 'Charles Wright' font that have even registered a 'fail' on the machine. Only the eyes of the bobbies on the road have registered the vehicle and either pulled it in or in some cases it had escaped.
The hard copy review afterwards is all very well, but it's 'afterwards' and the villain wont be sat around the table discussing it with you.
Ultimately, the point i'm trying to prove is that if all plates were in Charles Wright font and correctly spaced, there would be no room for error.
Thanks for your input..
You're absolutely right in what you say and a 'fail' might mean good reason for a pull, but it depends on the volume of traffic at that time. I've seen more than a dozen or so itallic number plates and those not in 'Charles Wright' font that have even registered a 'fail' on the machine. Only the eyes of the bobbies on the road have registered the vehicle and either pulled it in or in some cases it had escaped.
The hard copy review afterwards is all very well, but it's 'afterwards' and the villain wont be sat around the table discussing it with you.
Ultimately, the point i'm trying to prove is that if all plates were in Charles Wright font and correctly spaced, there would be no room for error.
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