hand brake turn
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Did a perfect handbrake turn parking manouvre outside a freinds house more than 20 years ago. Off duty cop climbed over his fence to have a word with me. All went OK till he told me it wasn't clever. Then my gob engaged and he tried to do me for dangerous driving. Got laughed out of court, probably would have been 10 years these days. Ah well, what was the reason for WW2? Freeedom or something. 
Provoking lack of grip by applying the handbrake by a competent exponent should in no cases indicate loss of control - rather it should show an enhanced level of control.
Ask most rally and autotest drivers. If you can't do a handbrake turn, I would suggets you are driving without the full range of 'armoury' at your disposal in case of an emergency.
And before you all start pontficating, I am sure such respected contributers such as Streaky will confirm my views.
Ask most rally and autotest drivers. If you can't do a handbrake turn, I would suggets you are driving without the full range of 'armoury' at your disposal in case of an emergency.
And before you all start pontficating, I am sure such respected contributers such as Streaky will confirm my views.
Another Stupid Streetcop comment. This is a trafpol who does not get understand driving a vehicle as opposed to directing one. The ability to do this can be helpful in certain situations.For example If using a Handbrake turn averts an accident?????? I would not condone it for general use on the public highway.
>> Edited by telecat on Monday 21st June 22:54
>> Edited by telecat on Monday 21st June 22:54
I used to have a Datsun Cherry Turbo with meanest Handbrake ever. I could 180degree park it with mm accuracy every time.
I once pulled into a dead end road, 180'd it round into this layby just behind my mate already parked there. Local bib some way behind saw me, came over & gave me all this dangerous driving talk. My mate lights up with
"he can do those perfectly every time I doubt you could etc etc". It was a close shave.
Quite how a well executed & practiced manouver is dangerous I don't know, but I can see how a numpty might see it as such & hence plod might not like it. Does'nt do your tyres much good either.
I used to practice in my first car a Vauxhall Viva, at 60mph into a nice dusty car park at 17 years old. Borrowed me mums car once only she forgot to tell me about the tray of eggs in the boot
Driving skills are a lost art & are now frowned upon I think.
I once pulled into a dead end road, 180'd it round into this layby just behind my mate already parked there. Local bib some way behind saw me, came over & gave me all this dangerous driving talk. My mate lights up with
"he can do those perfectly every time I doubt you could etc etc". It was a close shave. Quite how a well executed & practiced manouver is dangerous I don't know, but I can see how a numpty might see it as such & hence plod might not like it. Does'nt do your tyres much good either.
I used to practice in my first car a Vauxhall Viva, at 60mph into a nice dusty car park at 17 years old. Borrowed me mums car once only she forgot to tell me about the tray of eggs in the boot
Driving skills are a lost art & are now frowned upon I think.
andygo said:
Provoking lack of grip by applying the handbrake by a competent exponent should in no cases indicate loss of control - rather it should show an enhanced level of control.
Ask most rally and autotest drivers. If you can't do a handbrake turn, I would suggets you are driving without the full range of 'armoury' at your disposal in case of an emergency.
And before you all start pontficating, I am sure such respected contributers such as Streaky will confirm my views.
I will confirm that view. Is there anyone here who would prefer an old lady doing a 21 point parrallel shuffle into the space behind their car, rather than that old record breaking rover stunt driver yakkin his handbreak into the space?
When I was taught to drive by my father (hardcore auto grasser) he would often pull the handbreak round corners (aswell as covering my eyes and sticking a wet finger in my ear - dirty git). As a consequence I find breaking traction on (or off) track as comfortable and controllable as having full grip. I know a lot of PHers will know exactly what I am talking about (come on - I've seen you on the airfields). Wouldn't the world be a safer place if people were taught these skills and didn't panic and hit a tree every time they lost any grip.
telecat said:
Another Stupid Streetcop comment. This is a trafpol who does not get understand driving a vehicle as opposed to directing one. The ability to do this can be helpful in certain situations.For example If using a Handbrake turn averts an accident?????? I would not condone it for general use on the public highway.
>> Edited by telecat on Monday 21st June 22:54
Steady on Telecat, you're crossing the 'line', decribing my comments as stupid!
What I was doing with my post on this thread was pointing out to people that if caught performing a handbrake turn on a public road, you stand a very good chance of being reported for dangerous driving.
I'm aware that a certain amount of skill is required to complete it perfectly, as there is to do J-turns, bootleggers turn/moonshiners turns etc. I've done a anti-terrorist driving course when I was in the military and it was a tad difficult at times, I can tell you...
Hope that explains it....
Ok Telecat?
feet said:DRIFTER IN THE VILLIAGE ,
Provoking lack of grip by applying the handbrake by a competent exponent should in no cases indicate loss of control - rather it should show an enhanced level of control.
Ask most rally and autotest drivers. If you can't do a handbrake turn, I would suggets you are driving without the full range of 'armoury' at your disposal in case of an emergency.
And before you all start pontficating, I am sure such respected contributers such as Streaky will confirm my views.
I will confirm that view. Is there anyone here who would prefer an old lady doing a 21 point parrallel shuffle into the space behind their <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" href="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>, rather than that old record breaking rover stunt driver yakkin his handbreak into the space?
When I was taught to drive by my father (hardcore auto grasser) he would often pull the handbreak round corners (aswell as covering my eyes and sticking a wet finger in my ear - dirty git). As a consequence I find breaking traction on (or off) track as comfortable and controllable as having full grip. I know a lot of PHers will know exactly what I am talking about (come on - I've seen you on the airfields). Wouldn't the world be a safer place if people were taught these skills and didn't panic and hit a tree every time they lost any grip.
telecat said:not needed, I appreciate every comment from any BiB
Another Stupid Streetcop comment.
telecat said:Please can someone give me an example spinning around whilst in motion could avert an accident, I can't think of one.
The ability to do this can be helpful in certain situations.For example If using a Handbrake turn averts an accident?????? I would not condone it for general use on the public highway.
In fact, why stop at handbrake turns? What about power sliding, or 4 wheel drifts? Just because we can do it, it does not mean we have to.
feet said:Depends, I cant see an old lady getting that perfectly right 100% of the time, so would you also risk her smashing into your parked car when she gets it wrong? I would be much happier if the old biddies were forced out of their middle lane motorway habits.
Is there anyone here who would prefer an old lady doing a 21 point parrallel shuffle into the space behind their car, rather than that old record breaking rover stunt driver yakkin his handbreak into the space?
feet said:Airfields have a lot of run off area, so no problem if a mistake is made, unlike our roads
I know a lot of PHers will know exactly what I am talking about (come on - I've seen you on the airfields).
That's my two pence worth, back to the grindstone!
supraman2954 said:
Please can someone give me an example spinning around whilst in motion could avert an accident, I can't think of one.
Sure, I was 18 years old and had had my licence for just over one year. I was driving at night on a country road ( I didn't know) at night in the rain. I was stupid enough to be going along at about 45 - 50 MPH without really knowing what was coming in terrible conditions. I won't explain why I was doing this as no reason/excuse could justify it.
Anyway suddenly I approach a near hairpin corner and I try to slow my speed as much as possible before I need to turn the car and try to take the bend. I try to steer round the corner but the car continues on straight and has no traction.
I applied the handbrake to swing the back end round a bit and try to get the car facing the correct direction. It works and I pull out of the bend without a scratch.
Accident avoided by the use of the handbrake.
dorifter said:
using the handrake to avert an accident............if the rear of your car hits a patch of diesle and you find yourself skidding towards a hard object....pull the handbrake and physics will send the rear end the opposite way .............try it
Rubbish! If the vehicle is rotating around its axis in one direction, no amount of handbrake will cause it to rotate the other way.
Now, legal or illegal. Maybe the onus of proof is on the prosecution. If an accused driver could show a GOOD reason for a handbrake turn, like wanting to negotiate an impossible hairpin, and if he/she could provide proof that he/she was competent in doing this, as someone like Russ Swift obviously could, then dangerous driving could probably not be proved. Possible Due Care and Attention, but that would be a matter for the judgement of the Mags after they heard the evidence. Do you agree, Streetcop, or am I way off the mark (like your posts, by the way).
Do you lot really want handbrake turns to become legal?
Imagine all the noise of the Max power brigade handbraking in suburban areas. Imagine how annoying it would be outside your own house.
Even worse is that those that dont have full control of lack of traction will be smacking their arse into parked cars all over the place.
Of course its not safe. Perhaps the Rover stunt driver might be able to do it but I bet not even 0.5% of the public can.
Streetcop:
Now what about blipping the throttle to get the back round in a junction? (ie a 180 donut).
I guess that has the same implications?
(PS: Some people on here don't repsect your input. Just ignore them and let them carry on doing their thing and hope they get caught).
Imagine all the noise of the Max power brigade handbraking in suburban areas. Imagine how annoying it would be outside your own house.
Even worse is that those that dont have full control of lack of traction will be smacking their arse into parked cars all over the place.
Of course its not safe. Perhaps the Rover stunt driver might be able to do it but I bet not even 0.5% of the public can.
Streetcop:
Now what about blipping the throttle to get the back round in a junction? (ie a 180 donut).
I guess that has the same implications?
(PS: Some people on here don't repsect your input. Just ignore them and let them carry on doing their thing and hope they get caught).
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